USB Network Adapter versus Router

Discussion in 'Computing' started by Ruth Dassenaike, Mar 2, 2004.

  1. Ruth Dassenaike

    Unknown Guest

    You do if you dont have a spare NIC and run your network via crossover cable
    between two computers only. Bigpond actually install ADSL using the
    converter quite a lot.
    Router is more expensive and expense is what he was trying to avoid.
     
    Unknown, Mar 2, 2004
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  2. Ruth Dassenaike

    Unknown Guest

    What a load of rot! The cablemodem will work on the NIC already in the
    computer but there is no need to do what you said. You could either install
    yet another NIC or even better, buy the USB/Ethernet converter and plug into
    that and then plug that into the hub as the original poster said was
    suggested!
    Not really. Depends entirely on the install agreement.
    That is always the case with that setup. It isnt necessarily a problem
    though. What you can do is have the computer with the modem attached set up
    so that if the other wants to be on the net, it can "wake on lan" and then
    when Windows is loaded, ring the net!
    It's also an extra expense the poster didnt want.
     
    Unknown, Mar 2, 2004
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  3. Ruth Dassenaike

    Unknown Guest

    No. That is bad advice given that you want to reduce costs.

    All you need is an ethernet/USB converter, plug the modem's networking cable
    into the converter and then a USB cable into your hub. From there the whole
    thing works. You now have internet on the computer it is connected to
    directly and internet from the other computer via ICS.

    BTW, why cable? ADSL prices really are low at the moment. $29 a month from
    Bigpond is amazing if you stay below 200 megs. If you dont there are others.
    Ozemail, for example, decided not to announce but they now have a 12gig
    limited account at 512/128 for $64.95 a month. Go over 12gigs and your speed
    is limited.
     
    Unknown, Mar 2, 2004
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  4. Ruth Dassenaike

    Rod Speed Guest

    Yeah, thats been very common with cable for years now.

    Basically easier not to have to open the PC.
    Thats still wont allow you to network both PCs into the cable modem.
    But it doesnt allow access to the adsl modem from both PCs
    that are plugged into that USB hub. That only works with ethernet.

    You could certainly have a pair of USB/Ethernet converters,
    one on each PC, and then plug the Ethernet side of those
    into an Ethernet hub, but he's already got NICs in each PC
    so there isnt any point in going that route in his situation.
     
    Rod Speed, Mar 2, 2004
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  5. Ruth Dassenaike

    Rod Speed Guest

    Nope. You cant network 2 PCs by plugging them both into
    a USB hub and plugging the cable modem into the USB hub.
    You cant network two PCs using a USB hub.
    It doesnt work like ethernet does in that regard.
     
    Rod Speed, Mar 2, 2004
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  6. Ruth Dassenaike

    Rod Speed Guest

    Yes, but ONLY ONE PC. You cant network TWO PCs thru a USB hub.

    THATS what he wants to do.

    He could certainly connect the cable modem to one PC
    using a USB/ethernet adapter and use ICS in that PC
    to allow the other PC to use the cable network too,
    as I said, but that needs both PCs to be on when
    he wants to access the net from the PC that doesnt
    have the cable modem attached to it.

    Using a hardware router would allow both PCs to be
    networked at the ethernet level and both have access
    to the net without the other PC being turned on.
     
    Rod Speed, Mar 2, 2004
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  7. Ruth Dassenaike

    Rod Speed Guest

    You cant have TWO PCS having access independently to
    the cable modem thats plugged into a USB hub that way.

    Because a USB hub cant have two PCs connected
    to it and network like an ethernet hub can.
     
    Rod Speed, Mar 2, 2004
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  8. Ruth Dassenaike

    Rod Speed Guest

    Fact. You try plugging two PCs into a USB hub and see if you can
    move files between the two PCs that way. You cant, it wont work.
    But not to BOTH PCs. Thats what networked means.
     
    Rod Speed, Mar 2, 2004
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  9. Ruth Dassenaike

    Rod Speed Guest

    Still the router if you care about having both PCs on
    to access the net from the PC that doesnt have the
    cable modem plugged into it, even if via a USB hub.
     
    Rod Speed, Mar 2, 2004
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  10. Ruth Dassenaike

    Unknown Guest

    That wasnt ever the question asked though. All he wanted to know was
    basically "could it be done?".
    The person already has networking set up by crossover by the sound of it so
    that wouldnt really matter. I use ICS for other computers here at home
    through the ADSL modem and I think that was all that poster was attempting
    to achieve.
     
    Unknown, Mar 2, 2004
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  11. Ruth Dassenaike

    Unknown Guest

    That isn't what he posted though, Rod, so it isn't what he wanted!
     
    Unknown, Mar 2, 2004
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  12. Ruth Dassenaike

    Rod Speed Guest

    Yes it was. Even if it wasnt asked explicitly, because what was
    asked explicitly was whether the router route had any advantages.

    It clearly does, both not having to have both PCs turned
    on when accessing the net from the one the cable modem
    isnt plugged into, and with the NAT in the router etc.
    Nope, SHE also asked about the router approach.
    You dont know that on having to have the PC that
    has the cable modem directly connected to it turned
    on when the other PC is used to access the net.

    Thats a considerable nuisance compared with a hardware router.
    Yes, and that has that significant downside.
    Doesnt really matter what the original poster had in mind,
    the downside with that approach should be pointed out
    when a hardware router is being considered because the
    original poster may not have considered that disadvantage.

    And a hardware router is a lot easier to setup than ICS too.
     
    Rod Speed, Mar 2, 2004
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  13. Ruth Dassenaike

    Rod Speed Guest

    It was actually with the specific question about the router.
    You dont know that either.

    And Ruth is a she anyway.
     
    Rod Speed, Mar 2, 2004
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  14. Ruth Dassenaike

    Unknown Guest

    No, Rod, it wasnt and I quote from the original letter:

    - I have two computers in my study, which
    - are networked by virtue of a network card I put in each.

    - It has been suggested to me that instead of Optus connecting the cable
    - modem via the spare socket I have in a 4 socket USB hub (which
    - apparently doesn't give a good connection), that I should get a USB
    - Network Adapter and plug that into the Hub and then the cable modem
    - connection into that! This would cost me about $30.

    - On checking this out with Computer Parts in Notting Hill, it would
    - seem they have never heard of doing it this way and suggested a $99
    - router. I'm retired, so a saving of $60 would help if it's possible!

    NOWHERE in that did it ask what you said it asked. All it asked was pricing
    and it said that the original poster was told it was cheaper with a USB
    Network Adapter of the sort I have been talking about.
    Read what I requoted from the original letter, above, Rod. You are dead
    wrong!
    Like what? Works well here.
    Gee Rod, you mean that it doesnt matter what anyone posts so long as you
    answer with SOMETHING even though it isnt relevant?
    Nothing hard about ICS.
     
    Unknown, Mar 3, 2004
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  15. Ruth Dassenaike

    Unknown Guest

    WRONG!
     
    Unknown, Mar 3, 2004
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  16. Ruth Dassenaike

    Rod Speed Guest

    Corse it was, gutless.
    You couldnt even manage to get that bit right.
    The original was a newsgroup post, not a letter,
    and its still quoted at the top in the quoting, cretin.
    Wrong. As always. Thats implied by the
    alternative of the router suggested, fuckwit.
    Not a fucking clue. As always. No wonder you got the bums rush.
    Already read it more than once, gutless, and it
    aint a letter, it was a newsgroup post, fuckwit.
    Not a fucking clue. As always. No wonder you got the bums
    rush when even that pathetic little sheltered workshop managed
    to work out what a terminal fuckwit you have always been.
    I already told you more than once like what, fuckwit.
    And has that significant downside, fuckwit.
    Even you should be able to bullshit your way out of your
    predicament better than that pathetic effort, gutless.

    The only thing that EVER makes any sense is to point out
    the advantages and disadvantages of the two approaches
    asked about, even if that wasnt explicitly asked for, fuckwit.
    Wota terminal fuckwit.

    No wonder you got the bums rush when even that
    pathetic little sheltered workshop managed to work
    out what a terminal fuckwit you have always been.
     
    Rod Speed, Mar 3, 2004
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  17. Ruth Dassenaike

    Rod Speed Guest

    RIGHT!
     
    Rod Speed, Mar 3, 2004
    #37
  18. I've read this thread and can't beleive some of the stuff being said,
    however, what it comes down to is what you get, when you get your cable
    modem.

    The cable modem will have at least two connections on it - three if you
    count the power cable. One will be for the cable network (Bigpond), and
    one will be for your local connection. Now it's this local connection
    that is the important bit, for you. All of the cable modems I've worked
    with use Ethernet, ie the same thing you've used for your existing local
    network (LAN), between the two PC's - well, actually your LAN will
    likley be the faster 10/100Mbps ethernet, and the cable modem only
    10Mbps.

    However, I've heard that some of the new cable modems now use USB,
    instead of Ethernet. If you get a USB cable modem, then this is when you
    are going to have to think carefully, and I won't detail this unless you
    can confirm that this IS what you will be getting.

    With an Ethernet cable modem, you have two choices, do as "nn"
    suggested, and remove your existing LAN card (NIC), and let Telstra
    install one of theirs and hook up one of the PC's, "permanently" to the
    Internet. After they have left, you can then reinstall your old NIC, and
    setup Windows' Internet Connection Sharing (ICS). This is not exactly
    trivial, but as you previously managed to setup a LAN, setting up for
    ICS is just a bit more configuration over the top of that. So in the
    end, the "permanently-connected-PC" will have two NICs in it: one going
    to the Internet, or what is normally referred to as the WAN, and one NIC
    connected to your local network, or what is normally referred to as your
    LAN. ie WAN (Internet), LAN (Local).

    The problem with this setup is that the "permanently-connected-PC" must
    be on, and opperational in order for any other PC's on your LAN, to
    access the Internet. A router (about the size a Reference book),
    however, will take the place of the "permanetly-connected-PC", which you
    keep switched on, and you can use and switch off which ever PC you want,
    at any time, without effect on any other PC's access to the Internet.

    I need to choof off now, but I hope I haven't confused you, or got
    anything wrong.


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    Richard Rudek, Mar 3, 2004
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  19. Ruth Dassenaike

    Uncle Bully Guest

    That's why you buy a router. The string of PCs via USB and Ethernet is
    sloppy and I wouldn't recommend it for a reliable solution
    *She* was asking for advice. A router may cost a little bit more on
    purchase, but'll save of lot of fucking around in the long term and is the
    best solution for the task.
    ..
     
    Uncle Bully, Mar 3, 2004
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  20. Ruth Dassenaike

    Neil Green Guest

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    Basically the same advice and solid too.
    The newer modems that you mention Richard that use a USB interface simply
    have a USB network card integrated within the modem and have an auto
    switching mode to sense whether the connection is via USB or Cat5, they
    almost always have both ports.
    In the case of a USB connection Telstra, Optus etc. are indeed providing a
    network card built into the cable modem and Ruth need do no more than leave
    things as they are and run ICS as you suggested.
    Neil.
     
    Neil Green, Mar 3, 2004
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