Printer Cartridges: Why are they so pricey? And Which printer to buy.

Discussion in 'Computing' started by John Leister, Feb 20, 2004.

  1. John Leister

    John Leister Guest

    I haven' bought cartridges for my printer since July 98 and I went
    shopping to see about new ones and bloody hell they are that pricey
    that IMHO you'd be better off buying a new printer.

    My printer HP 660C It uses both a black and one colour cartridge
    containing all the three colours for CYMK printing. But it's the
    prices that got me..... $78 each.....

    For that I'd be better off dumping the beast and buying a whole new
    printer and to that ends I am shopping for a new one and looking at
    one of those multi function ones......

    One that looks interesting to me is by Brother and it offers printing,
    scanning, can send and receive faxes. It is advertised as a 5 in one
    but what the hell the 5 functions are I have no idea....

    The other two I have seen are a Cannon and a Lexmark but the Lexmark
    is costly for cartridges and only offers scan, print, and copying.


    So which to buy and what do you guys use and recommend?
     
    John Leister, Feb 20, 2004
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  2. I've been using Cartridge Kingdom which charges $7 for a manual black
    refill.

    A ink in "genuine" replacments costs 5 times more than vintage French
    champagne.

    gtoomey
     
    Gregory Toomey, Feb 20, 2004
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    Dave T. Guest

    canon inkjet cartridges are the easiest to refill, and most successful -
    they invented bubblejet printers.
     
    Dave T., Feb 20, 2004
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    It's Me!! Guest

    Cause the companies want to make money off us? My old printer was a Canon
    bubblejet and the carts were about $50 each but didn't last long..then I
    bought aHP 710 and I got 2 years out of them for about $70. Then I've
    upgraded printeres again baout 6 months ago to another HP this time the 1180
    A3 printer. I swear by HP for the life of the carts. Prefer to pay more but
    at least I get a year out of them if not more.

    Melissa
     
    It's Me!!, Feb 20, 2004
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    atec77 Guest

    printeres ??? :p
     
    atec77, Feb 20, 2004
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    Uncle Bully Guest

    It's a change in business model.
    Like console game machines and early drug dealers, they weren't making
    enough money off their products because of the perceived high initial cost.
    So the decision was made to offer the base unit at below cost, draw in the
    customers who are then tied to your proprietry product line, and then feed
    off them with overpriced consumables with stupidly high margins which the
    customer has no choice in buying.
    Luckily for us, some poeple offer cheap ink refills for reasonable prices so
    you no longer have to support the drug trade.
     
    Uncle Bully, Feb 20, 2004
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    John Leister Guest



    That's fair enough but I think I'm due for a new printer anyway....

    Plus I have tried refills for my HP and there is a difference....
     
    John Leister, Feb 20, 2004
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    eltan Guest

    Thats why I'm saving up & get colour laser.
     
    eltan, Feb 20, 2004
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    Justin Thyme Guest

    Print, Scan, Copy, Send Fax, Receive Fax
    At the moment I think the Lexmark is the pick of a BAD bunch. Canon's print
    quality lags significantly below the other brands. They are also expensive
    to print with - the individual ink tanks look good on the surface, but they
    have very low capacity. Brother's are scarce so it's hard to get cartridges,
    plus in the event of a breakdown they are a turd to deal with. HP were
    good, but the current range have a significantly poorer build quality than
    previous, plus their inks are no longer as economical as they used to be.
    HP do offer couriered exchange warranty, but only after you talk with their
    call centre in India, who are impossible to understand. HP do however have
    the best print quality available in the low-cost units. Lexmark aren't far
    behind on print quality, the cartridges are expensive but last well so the
    cost/page isn't too bad, plus they are easily refilled if you wish to go
    that avenue. The lexmark 6150 and 6170 offer fax capabilities in addition to
    the normal print/scan/copy. The 6170 has an automatic document feeder in
    addition to the flatbed, which is handy if you are faxing, scanning or
    copying a number of loose sheets. Lexmark warranty is a hassle-free
    couriered exchange after you speak to an Australian (shock horror) in their
    call centre. Epson have some very good multifunction units with excellent
    print and scan quality, and low ink costs. They are however more expensive
    than Canon/Lexmark/HP, and only have Print/Scan/Copy - no Fax. Epson
    warranty isn't as smooth as Lexmark/HP either - they like to repair your
    unit rather than exchange it.

    Note that multifunction units are low-end printers coupled with low-end
    scanners (Epson is the exception). If you want top-quality scanning or
    printing, go the standalone route.

    If you want to do lots of colour, I'd look at a colour laser - much cheaper
    to operate, but bear in mind that colour lasers are not real flash for photo
    printing - they do an ok job, but not in the same league as even low-end
    inkjets. Colour laser is more for business type printing - brochures, charts
    etc.

    If the colour printing you do is limited to 6x4 photos, then the path I
    would suggest is a small b&w laser for your general printing, plus a kodak
    or canon dye sublimation photo printer - these are cheap to run ($1/photo
    including ink and paper), and deliver results that only the top inkjets can
    match.

    Alternatively, if you are after a low cost, cheap to run, general purpose
    printer then you can't go past the Epson C43 - printer will set you back
    about $100, it has decent sized cheap cartridges (because you are only
    replacing the cart, not the head) that are about $20 for black and $30 for
    colour. It's print quality is excellent for black, and good for colour - it
    does a pretty good job of handling photos. And, it's cheap enough that if
    the head craps itself in 18-24 months (as they are sometimes prone to do),
    just go and buy another printer - after all, you would have saved at least
    that value in the cost of ink compared to say a HP or Lexmark. I had a HP
    970c until it needed a new colour cart - it was going to cost me $10 more to
    buy the Epson than a colour cart for the 970c, so I bought the new epson.
    It's print quality lags slightly behind the 970c, but not far behind. I
    used mine to do prints of our wedding photos and the quality is fine.
     
    Justin Thyme, Feb 21, 2004
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    John Leister Guest



    But are the consumables for the laser worth the cost of
    the printer? I mean how much life per cartridge with
    average use do you get?
     
    John Leister, Feb 21, 2004
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    It's Me!! Guest

    hehehe sorry typo!

    Melissa
     
    It's Me!!, Feb 21, 2004
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    atec77 Guest

    cheaper than a bubblejet ,
    Im using an english unit based on the canon engine and its cents per
    page at 10% coverage.
     
    atec77, Feb 21, 2004
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    mathew Guest

    If you print a moderate amount, definite.
    Often more than 10000 pages.

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    mathew, Feb 21, 2004
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    Oldus Fartus Guest

    From time to time computer magazines will do a breakdown of costs per
    copy taking all of that into account, but generally laser printers work
    out to be the lowest in operating costs. Have a look at one writeup at
    http://winapps.access.gpo.gov/ppd/abstracts/stlouis/ab1611s.pdf for a
    rough idea.
     
    Oldus Fartus, Feb 21, 2004
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    John Leister Guest



    That's where mine is now inside the wheelie bin
     
    John Leister, Feb 21, 2004
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    ahl Guest

    Be aware that there can be quite significant running costs with colour
    lasers as well.
    Imaging unit, corona wires, transfer rolls, fusers and of corse 4 different
    toner cartridges!

    I've had colour laser for a few years but don't use the colour capacity much
    because of these costs.

    I have a cheapo mono laser as a workhorse and reserve the colour printer for
    jobs where the use colour matters.

    Regards,
    ahl
     
    ahl, Feb 21, 2004
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    Hugh Jarss Guest

     
    Hugh Jarss, Feb 21, 2004
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    John Leister Guest




    Thanks will do that
     
    John Leister, Feb 21, 2004
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    John Leister Guest

     
    John Leister, Feb 21, 2004
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    MadMick Guest

    Hey shit, we agree on something :)
     
    MadMick, Feb 21, 2004
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