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Discussion in 'Computing' started by keithr, Dec 26, 2014.

  1. keithr

    keithr Guest

    This now appears in their sign up procedure.

    "Due to changes in European tax law coming into force on 01.01.2015, we
    can only offer our service to users which have their tax domicile in
    Germany."

    https://news.individual.net/register/step1.php

    Not sure whether this only applies to new accounts or to renewals as well.
     
    keithr, Dec 26, 2014
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    Rod Speed Guest

    But you are free to renew years in advance so by then that mess should be
    fixed.
     
    Rod Speed, Dec 26, 2014
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    Rod Speed Guest

    But you are free to renew years in advance so by then that mess should be
    fixed.
     
    Rod Speed, Dec 26, 2014
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    SG1 Guest

    Call Lifeline "They care."
     
    SG1, Dec 26, 2014
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  5. keithr

    Rod Speed Guest

    If you were using the old ClickandBuy auto renewal system,
    you have to actually cancel that before you can renew in
    advance and the NIN FAQ is wrong, the cancellation on
    the ClickandBuy site is not in Transactions/Subscriptions,
    its in Transactions/Billing Agreements/Easy Connect
     
    Rod Speed, Dec 26, 2014
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    Don McKenzie Guest

    Mine renews today (27th) on a credit card, and I have checked the card to make sure it should work OK.
    Like you Rod, I figure in time they will sort it out, hopefully before my 12 months renewal is up.

    If not, I will go and learn how to play golf or bowls, or chase grand mothers (may be more to my liking). Really pissed
    off with all these changes we are forced into. Getting too old for this bull shit now.

    Cheers Don...



    --
    Don McKenzie

    http://www.dontronics-shop.com

    All Olimex products now 60% to 95% off normal Olimex Prices.
    http://www.dontronics-shop.com/olimex-ltd.html
    Many other items discounted up to 95% off.
    Also discounts on FTDI modules, Sparkfun, CCS, SimmStick, etc.
     
    Don McKenzie, Dec 26, 2014
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  7. keithr

    keithr Guest

    Poor little fellow, did I upset you with my previous post. Why not go
    and make yourself a nice hot cup of shut the **** up.
     
    keithr, Dec 27, 2014
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    SG1 Guest

    Wow a petty little shit are you not??? You looking at taking over from
    Roddles
    when the homebrew finally blinds him???
     
    SG1, Dec 27, 2014
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    Petzl Guest

    Try Hola Unblocker
    You can pretend to be Germam (it's free) get a tax account maybe they
    will pay you
    http://hola-unblocker.en.softonic.com/
    You need this for Netflix bbc player etc
    --
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    Enough KALE chopped chip size to line large dinner plate
    Toss together with extra virgin olive (about desert spoon poured over)
    Line plate single layer with chip sized Kale, lightly salt (iodised)
    3 minutes in 1000 watt microwave
    Should then be crispy and ready to eat with drink (Beer)
    http://tinyurl.com/KALE-SUPER-FOOD
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    Petzl, Dec 27, 2014
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    Rod Speed Guest

    I did mine using PayPal.
    I did mine for 2 years.
    I'm not going to do either.
    I've just seen one of those die of a very aggressive cancer,
    just a couple of months after her daughter died of a very
    unusual medical problem that saw her immobilised.
    Yeah, the EU is run by terminal fuckwits.
    I haven't got to that stage yet, and I am quite a bit older than you |-(
     
    Rod Speed, Dec 27, 2014
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  11. keithr

    Rod Speed Guest

    Don't need to, PayPal before 1-Jan-15 works fine.
    But not for NIN.
     
    Rod Speed, Dec 27, 2014
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    keithr Guest

    Is that all you have? I pity you.
     
    keithr, Dec 27, 2014
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    Sylvia Else Guest

    I'd be very surprised if the new rules actually prohibit the supply of
    service to people not domiciled in Germany. It's more likely that
    individual.net just don't want the red-tape hassle, given that they're
    part of Freie Universität Berlin, and being a newsgroup server is not
    their core business.

    So don't hold your breath on the mess being fixed.

    Sylvia.
     
    Sylvia Else, Dec 27, 2014
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    Rod Speed Guest

    It doesn’t. But it DOES require the seller of intangibles like
    services and ebooks etc to pay the VAT that they receive
    from the buyer to the buyer's country's VAT system and
    that involves being registered with that country's VAT
    system and that normally involves quite a bit of paperwork
    in that country's language, and continual VAT returns etc
    and its likely that only the bigger operations like Amazon
    will actually bother with all that hassle. Operations like NIN
    are unlikely to bother given it’s a cost recovery operation,
    not a for profit operation.
    Its got nothing to do with core business.
    It already has been in some countrys with the country
    doing the paperwork for you, most obviously with the
    British MOSS system which allows an operation based
    in Britain to just pay the British VAT system and leave
    them to pay the VAT that is due to the buyer's country
    VAT system.

    The other part of the problem is that it only applys
    to transactions in intangibles, not to normal physical
    goods, and its going to be impossible to ensure that
    what is paid for is actually a physical good with net
    transactions. Certainly operations like NIN arent going
    to claim that your subscription is a physical good, but
    plenty of the small sellers on ebay are going to do that.
     
    Rod Speed, Dec 27, 2014
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    Don McKenzie Guest

    Don McKenzie, Dec 27, 2014
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  16. Bugger. I've been with them since they were "news.cis.dfn.de" - I
    wonder if having a German surname will let me slide by... :)

    Cheers,
    Gary B-)
     
    Gary R. Schmidt, Dec 28, 2014
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    Petzl Guest

    Same here but they were FREE then I have found their support excellent
    when reporting flooding getting past their filters
    Not that this happens often
     
    Petzl, Dec 28, 2014
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  18. keithr

    keithr Guest

    Short timer :)
     
    keithr, Dec 29, 2014
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  19. This issue was raised in the Dutch newsreaders group
    (nl.comp.software.newsreaders) and the OP contacted NIN support (Figure
    *that*!? Going to the *source* for answers! What *will* they think of
    next!?) and got this response:
     
    Frank Slootweg, Dec 30, 2014
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  20. keithr

    Rod Speed Guest

    But clearly they have at least initially decided to not bother with non
    Germans.
    But its obviously easier to not bother with any other country rather
    than to get VAT registered in every other country you deal with.
    Nope. It was designed to crack down on operations like
    Amazon that chose to base their operations in the country
    with by far the lowest VAT rate and to just charge that.
    Having fun thrashing that straw man ?
     
    Rod Speed, Jan 2, 2015
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