Life after April 8: what exactly "end of support means for XP"?

Discussion in 'PC Hardware' started by DK, Apr 6, 2014.

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    DK Guest

    Will *any* Windows/Microsoft Update work on XP?

    Will old updates and fixes still be available online or not?

    E.g., if I have a computer that was offline since 2009, would it be
    possible to update it to 2014 in May 2014?

    Also, if I continue running XP, would I be able to get Office
    security fixes on it?

    Strange that such a basic info is hard to find...

    Any ideas?
    DK, Apr 6, 2014
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    Flasherly Guest

    Tried dragging alt freeware?
    Flasherly, Apr 6, 2014
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    Mark Lloyd Guest

    If it works the same way it has for earlier versions, the same updates
    (no new ones) will be available for a few years. However, it would be a
    good idea to download then if you're expecting to need them.

    Firefox, and other internet software that's NOT from MS will still be
    updated for a while.

    Mark Lloyd

    "The power of accurate observation is called cynicism by those who have
    not got it." - George Bernard Shaw
    Mark Lloyd, Apr 6, 2014
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    lew Guest

    Have read most ATM machines are running winxp and that it
    is a big deal to "upgrade".....

    Will you still be able to get your money?
    lew, Apr 6, 2014
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    Jon Danniken Guest

    Jon Danniken, Apr 7, 2014
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    lew Guest

    lew, Apr 7, 2014
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    Mark Lloyd Guest

    On 04/06/2014 03:56 PM, lew wrote:

    This is getting exaggerated like with Y2K. ATMs don't use the internet
    like home users do, and so will be immune to most malware.

    Mark Lloyd

    "The power of accurate observation is called cynicism by those who have
    not got it." - George Bernard Shaw
    Mark Lloyd, Apr 7, 2014
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    lew Guest

    So all ATM machines have their own separate hardwired network
    connectivity for all the different banks in different cities/states?
    And how is "internet" defined now?
    lew, Apr 7, 2014
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    Flasherly Guest

    It's called "Embedded Windows" - probably still defined as once it
    was: buy a USRobitics and connect, via telephony, into BumFak, Egypt,
    during a sandstorm;- oops, 'scuse me but 3COM bought out USRobitics --
    industrial grade and all of that: Quality with a Vengence.

    Ever seen a $1200 modem for 56K connection made from the same people
    who make guided missle-head electronics from Paradyne?
    Flasherly, Apr 8, 2014
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    Mark Guest
    Mark, Apr 8, 2014
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    Motor T Guest

    It's my understanding ATM's use the 'Embedded' XP version, and
    support for those versions will continue until sometime into 2016.
    Motor T, Apr 9, 2014
  12. The issue has never been that the OS would magically stop working on a
    specific date.

    It just means Microsoft won't provide security patches.

    But embedded is a different thing. SOmeone is willing to pay the money,
    and one might even imagine support will go on into the future.

    But, it's also simpler. A stripped down operating system, with one
    specific application running on it, and that is put into endless machines
    with the same hardware.

    That's way easier to do testing on that a system at home where the
    operating system is full of endless things, and anyone can add any sort of
    application. Then the variables go way up, it's not just whether this
    applicaiton is vulnerable, but whether this combination of application
    with the OS and the configuration is vulnerable.

    At home, the combinations are endless, and Microsoft doesn't want to deal
    with that, especially when it's on a person by person basis.

    An embedded use means Microsoft only has to talk to one or a few companies
    who put the ATMs together, there aren't variables coming from endless
    software. And since ATMs existed before the internet, there has to be
    some separate network there, making it all even less vulnerable.

    Michael Black, Apr 9, 2014
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    Flasherly Guest

    Present rate is $400US per year for W-XP updates from yo-mama M$, and
    doubledown @$800 per year afterwards.

    I stopped running antiviral sorts around the transition from 98 to XP.
    (Seemed then to me too much scare tactics and grab-ass reaching for
    one's backpocket involved in an industrialized counter-terrorist
    computer sector;- nevertheless, for everyone else the practicality is
    they're scared and whining they're never protected enough;- It's one
    of if not the longest, most requested song on American airwaves
    played by tiniest violin that fits, just so, between thumb and
    Flasherly, Apr 10, 2014
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    Mark Guest

    Have Microsoft ever offerred a stripped down version of XP?
    Mark, Apr 10, 2014
  15. Microsoft can do whatever it likes.

    Indeed, people forget, but they started out selling BASIC to endless
    companies. They didn't sell it by themselves, they'd write a version and
    sell it to a company who either embedded it in the computer or sold it to
    the customer. There was a time when just about any computer came with
    Microsoft BASIC, and the companies were going to MS to get it, rather than
    MS going after the companies.

    Same with MS-DOS. Microsoft didn't have an operating system for IBM, they
    had to buy an existing OS and fix it up. And then they sold something to
    IBM, but not the full rights. So Microsoft then went and sold the same
    basic software to endless companies, modifying as needed to fit the

    So I'm sure if the ATM companies needed something, IBM would provide, so
    long as they were getting paid. And thus it's worthwhile to Microsoft to
    keep supporting XP in ATMs, since it's relatively simple, and the return

    Michael Black, Apr 10, 2014
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    Tony Guest

    I don't care i'm a lifer when it comes to windows xp. I could give a shit
    about security patches. By the way is that you Darrell?

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    Mark Guest

    But did they?
    IIRC they started developing compilers.
    Yes. It was called QDOS which stood for "Quick and Dirty Operating
    Until a new security vulnerability is discovered and exploited.
    Mark, Apr 14, 2014
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