Is it possible to copy an app from one iOS device to another?

Discussion in 'iPhone' started by Whitney Ryan, Jan 5, 2015.

  1. The only one who "knows" it is you, and you only think that you know it.
     
    Michelle Steiner, Jan 6, 2015
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  2. Whitney Ryan

    Guest Guest

    he's already confused as can be.
     
    Guest, Jan 6, 2015
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  3. Whitney Ryan

    Rod Speed Guest

    Nope, I agree with him on that.

    I do use it to manually move videos to an idevice
    but only because its quicker to do that way.
    Wrong, as always.
     
    Rod Speed, Jan 6, 2015
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  4. Whitney Ryan

    Lewis Guest

    Please stop replying to the nymshifting dipshit.
     
    Lewis, Jan 6, 2015
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  5. Whitney Ryan

    Whitney Ryan Guest

    nospam wrote, on Mon, 05 Jan 2015 23:50:59 -0500:
    I apologize for my demeanor, when it comes to iTunes.

    I personally have lost songs many times with iTunes,
    and I personally have installed and uninstalled iTunes
    many times, and I therefore know that it is an utter
    abomination of both software design, and use model.

    I can find many web sites that affirm both that iTunes is
    an abominable set of bloatware, and that iTunes has a
    horrific propensity to delete user content, in addition to
    giving users a horribly complex use model when all (some of
    them) want is to pop a DVD into the optical drive and slide
    a song over to any iDevice they want, without installing
    anything on either the computer or the iDevice.

    I also have friends who work for Apple who smile when I talk
    to them about the iTunes abomination, as they know exactly what
    is going on, and they know everything I say is true.

    They reply, as you do, that that most of their users don't even
    notice that iTunes is horrid bloatware, and that most users
    do things exactly the Apple way. Because most of their users
    never go off road, most of their users don't even notice how
    bad the iTunes abomination is.

    Therefore, the iTunes "ecosystem" works, for them (excepting
    the very many who have had all their content deleted accidentally
    by the iTunes abomination).

    However ...

    I apologize for being curt with you on this iTunes thing, but,
    the iTunes abomination has deleted so much of my user content
    in the past, and it's such an abomination to both install and
    then get rid of, that it's a sore point with me, especially
    since it also installs tons of bloatware I never wanted (such
    as Bonjour, Quicktime, Apple Application Support, Apple Software
    Update, Apple Mobile Device Support, etc), which also have to
    be uninstalled just to get your system back, in addition to Wine.

    So, since you love iTunes, and apparently think it infallible,
    while I abhor iTunes, and know it to be an utter abomination,
    we probably shouldn't poison this otherwise healthy conversation
    with our facts.

    I apologize for denigrating iTunes in the manner that I did, and
    I will simply read all your responses, and let you know, with an
    emoticon, that I have done so (as I always try to be responsive
    to you in any conversation).

    Once again, I sincerely apologize for what I said to you about
    iTunes, because it is a subject that I know all too well, and,
    this isn't really the thread or newsgroup to discuss its demerits.
     
    Whitney Ryan, Jan 7, 2015
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  6. Whitney Ryan

    Whitney Ryan Guest

    nospam wrote, on Mon, 05 Jan 2015 23:50:59 -0500:
    That's pretty much what my Apple friends told me also.
     
    Whitney Ryan, Jan 7, 2015
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  7. Whitney Ryan

    Whitney Ryan Guest

    Michelle Steiner wrote, on Mon, 05 Jan 2015 22:38:16 -0700:
    I posted many references to many people who have lost
    content due to iTunes, and I myself have lost content
    far too many times to be confused.

    However, I do apologize for talking about iTunes in
    this thread, as it's really not the subject matter as
    it won't do the intended job, which is simply to copy
    an app from one iDevice to another, only one of which
    I own.

    My friend is traveling, so, that's why I haven't been
    able to prove out the IPA and iTools suggestions, but
    I am confident that we will be successful in the end.
     
    Whitney Ryan, Jan 7, 2015
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  8. Whitney Ryan

    Whitney Ryan Guest

    nospam wrote, on Tue, 06 Jan 2015 00:46:01 -0500:
    :)
     
    Whitney Ryan, Jan 7, 2015
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  9. Whitney Ryan

    Whitney Ryan Guest

    Savageduck wrote, on Mon, 05 Jan 2015 20:54:25 -0800:
    This is true.

    My use model, which is to connect any iDevice to any computer and copy
    over any content, without installing anything on any device, is the
    antithesis of the iTunes use model.

    It's just too easy and powerful.

    So I do agree with you.
    I'm used to a simple use model that has no settings whatsoever.
    It just works.

    On the other hand, when using iTunes, if I'm not extremely careful about
    the settings set at the time of iTunes installation, then I will lose
    content, especially since I never store anything on the computer and
    my concept of a "library" is any existing content in the world on any media.

    (NOTE: Installing software is not the same as executing software.)
     
    Whitney Ryan, Jan 7, 2015
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  10. Whitney Ryan

    Whitney Ryan Guest

    Savageduck wrote, on Mon, 05 Jan 2015 20:48:34 -0800:
    I agree. If you use iTunes the way you're supposed to, it probably
    doesn't delete all your content. However, there is this little problem
    of the very many users who have lost all of their content accidentally
    using iTunes (some of which I posted URLs to in prior posts).
    I agree. My concept of content is anything anywhere that the iDevice
    will play. If its not in a format that the iDevice will play it, then
    I convert it to a format that the iDevice will play.

    That means any computer. Any iDevice. Any content.

    And, I store none of that content on the computer, simply because
    I never play that content on my computer so it would be stupid to
    store it where it's never used.
    We agree. This has happened to me, so I know it to be the case.
    You speak the truth!
     
    Whitney Ryan, Jan 7, 2015
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  11. Whitney Ryan

    Whitney Ryan Guest

    Michelle Steiner wrote, on Mon, 05 Jan 2015 22:39:56 -0700:
    Heh heh... Ask nospam or SavageDuck if I understand why iTunes
    fails for me. They know that I know the use model all too well.

    It works for you, I agree.

    But my use model is simpler.

    My use model is to copy any content from any computer or device to
    and from the iDevice without storing any of that content on the
    computer, and without installing any software (if possible) on
    either the computer or the iDevice.

    I do this all the time, so I'm very familiar with my use model.

    As nospam and SavageDuck are aware of, this is NOT the model that
    iTunes espouses.

    That's fine.
    It's clear that iTunes is not for me, just as clear as iTunes
    works fine for you.

    But don't say I don't understand the iTunes use model without checking
    with those two guys, who know that I understand it all too well.
     
    Whitney Ryan, Jan 7, 2015
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  12. Whitney Ryan

    Guest Guest

    only because you told it to delete them.
    installing/uninstalling is not the same as actually using it.
    you can find web sites that say the earth is flat, the moon landing is
    a hoax and that hurricane katrina was the work of the japanese mafia.
    so what?

    the fact is that the vast majority of users don't have any problem with
    itunes or its use model. in fact, most *prefer* it because it is so
    easy and powerful.

    nothing is perfect and there will always be a small number who have
    issues, no matter what the product is.
    more likely their manners and professionalism stops them from saying
    what they really think.
    then it's a successful product.
    itunes always asks what to do. it won't delete *anything* without
    confirmation.

    however, itunes has no way to know if the user intentionally wants to
    delete content or they accidentally clicked a button without reading
    what it does.

    if the user tells itunes to delete content, accidental or not, it will
    do what the user told it to do.
    it needs all of that to work, some of which is useful outside of
    itunes, such as quicktime and in particular, bonjour.

    wine is not required for mac/windows users.

    however, linux users *need* wine or dual-boot to be able to run all the
    software that's unavailable for linux, something with which they are
    very familiar, and not just for itunes.
    i never said it's infallible. like everything, it has issues.
    you know so little about itunes it's laughable.
     
    Guest, Jan 7, 2015
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  13. Whitney Ryan

    Guest Guest

    you posted a handful of links.

    meanwhile, hundreds of millions of users have no issue.
    only because you told it to.
    you're *very* confused.
    it absolutely will do the job you describe.
    your friend needs to find someone who won't give them idiotic advice.
     
    Guest, Jan 7, 2015
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  14. Whitney Ryan

    Guest Guest

    then ios devices are the wrong product for you.

    you're fighting a battle you cannot win.
    it's neither easy nor powerful because it's entirely manual.
    no it doesn't 'just work' since it requires user interaction.
    there is no need to be extremely careful about settings.

    all it takes is to read what it asks when it asks and click the
    appropriate button.

    also, not storing anything on the computer is the opposite of easy.
    no shit.
     
    Guest, Jan 7, 2015
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  15. Whitney Ryan

    Savageduck Guest

    It becomes your music warehouse. To be used when changine music on your
    iOS devices, or building and adding new playlists to the same. So, your
    use on that computer would not be playing the music, but something far
    more important, maintaining a full library from where you can reload
    your iOS device with fresh material, or adding old favorites.
     
    Savageduck, Jan 7, 2015
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  16. Whitney Ryan

    Guest Guest

    It becomes your music warehouse. To be used when changine music on your
    iOS devices, or building and adding new playlists to the same. So, your
    use on that computer would not be playing the music, but something far
    more important, maintaining a full library from where you can reload
    your iOS device with fresh material, or adding old favorites.[/QUOTE]

    yep. get a 2tb drive (they're cheap) or repurpose an older drive,
    depending on how much stuff you have.

    no need to fuss with cds/dvds/tapes/vinyl.

    a couple of clicks and any song/movie is synced.

    *that* is easy and powerful.
     
    Guest, Jan 7, 2015
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  17. Whitney Ryan

    Whitney Ryan Guest

    nospam wrote, on Tue, 06 Jan 2015 20:20:35 -0500:
    I agree with you.

    I think it was BobbyK who said the use model works without
    any flaws whatsoever.

    On the other hand, Savageduck already outlined the specific
    cases where iTunes will delete user content, and I myself
    have painfully experienced those cases (as have others which
    were listed in the Apple support page links).

    So, there are two facts that I agree with you on:
    1. The iTunes use model works for millions of people.
    2. The iTunes use model does not easily support my use model.

    My use model is so simple, that it belies repeating:

    I copy any content from anywhere to anywhere else
    simply by connecting any device to any computer and
    bidirectionally sliding any playable content from anywhere
    onto or off of that device.

    This is done without installing or storing anything on
    the computer (using standard device drivers such as
    libimobiledevice or MTP).
     
    Whitney Ryan, Jan 7, 2015
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  18. Whitney Ryan

    Whitney Ryan Guest

    nospam wrote, on Tue, 06 Jan 2015 20:20:34 -0500:
    :)
     
    Whitney Ryan, Jan 7, 2015
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  19. Whitney Ryan

    BobbyK Guest

    To be specific, I said that I have had it work perfectly for me.
    I can't, and won't, speak for anyone else.

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    BobbyK, Jan 7, 2015
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  20. Whitney Ryan

    Whitney Ryan Guest

    nospam wrote, on Tue, 06 Jan 2015 20:20:37 -0500:
    Nope.

    The only thing wrong for me is the iTunes model.

    The devices are just devices. An iOS device is just something
    that plays music or videos or makes a phone call from my
    contact list. It's the same as an Android device, which does
    exactly the same thing, and more.

    It's not iOS that is wrong for me.
    It's iTunes that's wrong for me.

    Yet, iTunes is perfectly fine for millions of others, and that's
    their market. Those millions of others probably don't even realize
    they could copy content from any device to any other device using
    any computer simply by sliding it over a wire, without installing
    anything (other than basic hardware MTP, PTP, or libimobile drivers).

    So, every time someone says the solution to the problem is iTunes,
    it makes me laugh. It's like they're living in the Roman Empire,
    following rules promulgated by the Emperor in Cupertino, and thinking
    the only language in the world is Latin, and that the solution to
    everything is to speak Latin.
     
    Whitney Ryan, Jan 7, 2015
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