iPhone market share

Discussion in 'iPhone' started by JF Mezei, Oct 13, 2010.

  1. JF Mezei

    JF Mezei Guest

    There have been many discussions about the iPhone's market share numbers.

    I have found the following paragraph of interest:

    According to researcher Gartner, Microsoft's current mobile operating
    system only accounted for 5% of the worldwide market in the most
    recently reported quarter. Symbian, mainly used with Nokia products, has
    the largest market share with 41% of the market, followed by Research In
    Motion's (Nasdaq: RIMM) BlackBerry with 18%, Google's Android has 17%
    market share, and the Apple iPhone with 14% of the market through only
    one service provider in the U.S. market. To say Microsoft is far behind
    the competition would be a drastic understatement.

    I am surprised that Microsoft would , pre-Windows-7 annmouncement, have
    as much as 5% market share when you consider that apart from one Palm
    model, thre hasn't been any recent Windows based phones. (and
    Palm-Windows is on its way out as HP will want to levereage Palm's
    proprietary OS - or so it said with its previous CEO)

    What this Gartner survery doesn't say is whether the market share is
    units sold, or revenues generated.

    If this surbey is to be believed, it would mean that Apple is not doing
    as well as devout members of the Church of Apple have been lead to
    believe by all the hype/marketing.

    Getting Verizon may be necessary to tip the balance by upping Apple's
    number by a couple percent and dropping Andoid by a couple of notches.

    But this competition will be good for us because it will force Apple to
    innovate more and also lift silly restructions on the iPhone.
    JF Mezei, Oct 13, 2010
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    SMS Guest

    On 10/13/2010 2:41 PM, JF Mezei wrote:

    There are still quite a few Windows Mobile 6.5 phones being sold,
    including phones from every U.S. carrier, though as you point out,
    nothing recent. A lot of business users simply can't use an iPhone for
    work because of some of the limits in terms of applications and

    There still is a value proposition for the Windows Mobile operating
    systems among business and commercial users. Microsoft's challenge is to
    make the phones running WP7 a popular consumer product, a seemingly
    impossible task. If anything, WP7 will take market share from
    Blackberry, not iOS or Android. No kid is bugging his parents to buy him
    a WP7 phone!

    Once the iPhone is on Verizon, those quarterly numbers are going to
    change significantly, and Apple will pull ahead of Android again.
    SMS, Oct 13, 2010
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  3. JF Mezei

    JF Mezei Guest

    These statistics are for new sales. So 5% is huge considering that MS
    didn't have new products to brag about during that period.

    Also interesting that Palm isn't mentioned in those statistics.
    Symbian+Rim+Android+Apple+Microsoft = 95%, so the rest of the market is
    equal to MS's alleged market share.

    RIM is very proprietary with its own servers but this does get them to
    offer push notification for emails.

    Apple only supports push notification email for teenager's hotmail/gmail
    servers. They need an interface between their IOS push notification
    services and the email/jabber capabilities on Xserve so that at least
    Xserves can provide push notification to iPhone. If they had this, then
    they could support many corporate email systems that can run jabber
    between their email and Apple's push notification service.

    How Microsoft handles email on its new phones may determine how well
    they can do in the enterprise market.

    Unless of course, they are after the teenage market and only care to
    support hotmail/gmail for push notificatio like Apple does.

    The conclusion I made is that the guy is an actor-for-hire and he will
    support whoever hires him. His opinion doesn't count anymore.
    JF Mezei, Oct 14, 2010
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    JF Mezei Guest

    The iphone doesn't support Activesync. It supports Apple's proprietary
    push notification service used by all applications. ( a single TCP link
    between the iphone and Apple to get information pushed for all
    applications that use the service).

    Apple's push servers in california are the ones who would support
    activesync. But I have yet to find documentation on this. It is somewhat
    ironic that Apple provided a jabber server on Xserves to interface with
    postfix SMTP, but has not provided any connectuvity between its own
    software on the Xserve and its own push servers that provide the bridge
    to all iphones around the world.

    Yep, but all that flows through the RIM central servers to which the
    mobile networks provide connection from handsets (hence the requirements
    for Blackberry users to have special data packages because the network
    needs to pay RIM for access to that central server. And this is the crux
    of the problems with various countries wanting de-encrypted access to
    those servers to monitor communications of their citizens.

    In the case of Apple, the architecture is just for the push
    notification, with the application then connecting directly to some
    independent server to pickup new mail messages. (aka: mail doesn't
    transit through the Apple push notification servers, only the "you have
    new mail" notification does.

    The push notification service is what causes those red circles with
    number to appear next to an aplication on the iphone.
    JF Mezei, Oct 14, 2010
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    DevilsPGD Guest

    In message <4cb6ace3$0$866$c3e8da3$> JF Mezei
    Mine does... ?
    This too.
    You're looking for documentation on something that doesn't exist.

    iPhones connect directly to the ActiveSync server, Apple's servers are
    not involved. I say this as an iPhone user and also the ActiveSync

    When using ActiveSync between the iPhone and my server, no traffic hits
    my ActiveSync server from anything other than my iPhone's IP.

    Also keep in mind that the iPhone's ActiveSync support works without
    Apple's push service enabled.
    This actually isn't totally true either.

    If the BlackBerry has wifi enabled, it can communicate directly with the
    BES server bypassing RIM's infrastructure.

    Going over the cellular network is a bit of a different ball game, but
    this is largely due to legacy, namely that RIM offered data before other
    devices had internet capabilities so the standards didn't really exist
    at the time.
    Interestingly, RIM's architecture encrypts on the BES server and
    decrypts on the device (and vise versa), so not even RIM has the power
    to decrypt in the middle. The whole hoopla seems to be primarily about
    BlackBerry Messenger.

    RIM can decrypt BlackBerry messenger traffic and mail sent through BIS
    though since these are encrypted by the RIM servers.
    DevilsPGD, Oct 14, 2010
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    JF Mezei Guest

    Since I don't run microsoft software, I couldn't have tested this. And
    the setup menu for Mail, Contacts and Calendar give no indication of
    "Activesync". I just get normal IMAP/SMTP options.
    Interesting as Apple went out of its way to provide a unified push
    service that reduced data traffic on the airwaves by combining all push
    notifications into one TCP connection.

    What port does Actisync use on the server ? I take it it is a
    proprietary protocol from Microsoft ?

    Excuse me ? RIM is a newbie in the game. Data/Internet capabilities have
    been available on GSM from before RIM started making blackberries. Nokia
    was making smart phones with keyboards and browsers already.

    The unique feature they provided was the push notification for new emails.

    The real reason they architected their product line to require
    proprietary RIM operated servers is a business one: each blackberry
    onwer pays a fee (through the mobile carrier) to RIM evenry month for
    access to the required RIM servers.

    This is why most carriers have different packages for Blackberries and
    why a data package for a normal phone won't work for blackberries.

    Apple had a similar deal with AT&T where AT&T paid Apple a monthly fee
    for every iPhone activated on its network. It appears this is no longer
    the case. And it si definitely not the case in Canada because you can
    get an unlocked iPhone and not even tell your network you have an
    iPhone. You cannot do that with Blackberry.
    JF Mezei, Oct 14, 2010
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    Guest Guest

    at&t paying apple a monthly fee was for the original iphone which was
    not sold subsidized. now that the iphone is subsidized, apple gets that
    money up front.
    Guest, Oct 14, 2010
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    DevilsPGD Guest

    In message <4cb77359$0$17471$c3e8da3$> JF
    It's labeled "Exchange"
    ActiveSync support predates Apple's push capabilities. In addition,
    revealing your credentials and allowing Exchange access to a third party
    would generally not go over particularly well in most corporations (and
    rightly so)
    443 by default, 80 is also possible.
    Wikipedia indicates Nokia 7110 was the first mobile phone with a WAP
    browser, released in October of '99.

    The RIM-900 two-way pager predated this by 4 years, having been released
    in 1995.
    This is obviously a factor, as is selling the BES servers to
    corporations and their associated licensing.
    That's a big part of it. However, BlackBerry devices also have a higher
    support cost for the carrier since the carrier is the first line of
    technical support whereas most carriers will shrug off support for other

    In other words, try calling your carrier for help setting up BlackBerry
    email, they'll quite possibly do it for you while you wait (for BIS),
    whereas for iPhone they not only cannot do it, but won't even try to
    walk you through the process.

    Whether this is good or bad is debatable given how useless most carriers
    are, but for business users, this can be significant.
    Strictly speaking you can, you just won't get BlackBerry Internet
    Service or access to the traditional BES connectors.

    I have reason to believe that you can access BES Express servers in this
    configuration although I haven't had the opportunity to confirm it yet.
    Hopefully in next couple months I'll be able to try it.
    DevilsPGD, Oct 14, 2010
  9. JF Mezei

    JF Mezei Guest

    There were no such setup options on my iPhone 4. However, trying to
    create a new mailbox account, I was then presented with options that
    include kiddie email servers as well as Exchange Mobile. (I didn't want
    to go further).
    JF Mezei, Oct 15, 2010
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    DevilsPGD Guest

    In message <4cb7af41$0$15320$c3e8da3$> JF
    shows the screenshots, the very first option (Above Apple's own
    "MobileMe") is the Microsoft Exchange option. Selecting this option
    will create an ActiveSync connection from the device directly to an
    ActiveSync server.
    DevilsPGD, Oct 15, 2010
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