ICE

Discussion in 'iPhone' started by badgolferman, Jan 14, 2015.

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    Alan Browne Guest

    Then "Slide for Emergency". In red or yellow.
     
    Alan Browne, Jan 17, 2015
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    Kurt Ullman Guest

    If you have emergency button at the same place on all phones, then you
    wouldn't need multiple languages.
     
    Kurt Ullman, Jan 17, 2015
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    Patty Winter Guest

    The primary purpose of that feature is to provide the electronic
    equivalent of an "In Case of Emergency" wallet card. It's just a
    nice bonus that unlike a wallet, a cell phone can also be used to
    contact emergency services. But in most cases, a stranger isn't
    going to be accessing the phone to call for help, but to look for
    information on the person who's been brought to a hospital. A
    couple seconds' delay in doing that won't matter.


    Patty
     
    Patty Winter, Jan 17, 2015
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    Rod Speed Guest

    Nope. The main point is how best to do phones so that anyone
    who shows up can do something useful with them, even if that
    is just call 911 when they don’t have a phone of their own etc.
    Because it may help you if whoever does find you
    there unconscious is able to tell 911 what medical
    details of yours they can see on your phone. That
    may allow the emergency services to do much
    better for you than they could do without any
    of your medical data.
    But still worth allowing for when designing phones.

    And they aren't in fact that rare at all except in the
    sense that finding someone unconscious isn't that
    common. But if they aren't unconscious, there isn't
    need for and ICE or a medical bracelet either except
    with those who can't speak the local language or
    who are too senile etc to be able to tell the ERs their
    medical history etc.

    Even just those with advances senility who can
    wander off and be found obviously out of their
    depth can be very readily assisted with a decent
    ICE system that anyone can use effortlessly.

    With those it makes no sense at all to invoke
    a full scale major event with police and ambulance
    involved when just a call to their ICE contact will
    resolve the problem much more effectively.
     
    Rod Speed, Jan 17, 2015
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    Rod Speed Guest

    But when your medical details are available on
    your phone, the FRs can avoid doing any of that
    initially if they can see that you aren't a diabetic
    and concentrate on the other possibilitys instead.
    Its clearly much better to give you the narcan immediately
    when your medical details show that you are an injecting
    heroin user and don’t have to consider the other obvious
    possibilitys like blood sugar.
    But it obviously makes sense to have the medical
    details available on your phone so whoever shows
    up can concentrate on the most likely possibilitys first.
    Doesn’t matter what they want, what
    matters is what the individual wants to do.
    The real world involves a lot more than just the US.
    It won't necessarily be a random stranger, its
    MUCH more likely to be someone well known
    to the individual who was there at the time of
    the medical problem and who called 911 etc.
    There are no relevant privacy laws in that regard.
    It makes no sense whatever to be refusing to tell
    someone well known to the individual who was
    with the individual at the time of the medical
    event which hospital they are being taken to.
     
    Rod Speed, Jan 17, 2015
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    Rod Speed Guest

    Your problem.
    Decide for themselves what they want to do.

    If it’s a senile individual found wandering,
    that may well be by far the best thing to do
    because they are much more likely to respond
    well to someone they know well showing up
    than a cop or the ambulance etc.

    If it’s a car accident, they may well want to show up
    and organise dealing with the car if the driver needs
    to go to the ER to get treatment for their injurys etc.
    You just haven't thought that thru.

    Clearly it’s a excellent idea with a senile individual found
    wandering or even someone in a very dazed and confused
    state as a result of very low blood sugar etc.

    In spades with an injured child who may well do MUCH
    better if one of their parents shows up at the accident scene.
    Then you should be fired, particularly when it’s a child.
    More fool you when it’s a child.
    Even sillier when it’s a child.
    The absolute vast majority of situations
    don’t involve anything like that.
    That is just plain wrong with family members and children.
    That's a lie when an IV has fixed the low blood
    sugar problem or narcan has fixed the overdose.

    There are plenty of other situations where they
    are nowhere near either fine or dead where its
    obvious what the problem is and the person
    who was with them when the accident happened
    etc can be told what the prospects are likely to
    be, that it appear to just be a problem readily
    fixable at the hospital etc.
    By telling 911 that that is what the medical info says.
    You're wrong, particularly when there is something
    useful that the person who made the call can do
    while waiting for the FRs to show up etc.
    Wrong when they have less response units
    available than they need to do that for
    everyone with a major natural disaster etc.
    That isn't always possible, most obviously
    when its been a major disaster or even just
    say a commercial airliner that has crashed etc.
    It isn't that black and white. If the individual is just very
    confused and unresponsive, but not actually unconscious,
    and the medical ID shows that they are a diabetic, that
    is quite different to if the medical ID just shows that
    they are senile and do sometimes wander off etc.
    It isn't just sugar packets that are useful.
    But do if the problem is just dementia and they need
    to decide if what they can see is relatively normal and
    not particularly urgent or whether the individual might
    have had a stroke and needs intervention quite quickly
    to produce the best results.
    But will tell you if the symptoms of confusion are
    not unusual with that individual with dementia etc.
    So does the list where the medical ID is
    useful, particularly when the individual
    isn't in a fit state to tell you that they
    are a diabetic or injecting drug user etc.
    Because you are in denial.
     
    Rod Speed, Jan 17, 2015
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    Rod Speed Guest

    That’s not working hard at all. Its not an uncommon situation.
    Bullshit. And you don’t have a point,
    just a claim, a different matter entirely.

    A decent design has to handle ALL situations that can
    happen and handle them well when that is possible.
     
    Rod Speed, Jan 17, 2015
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    Rod Speed Guest

    Particularly once people stop bothering with wallets once stuff
    like Apple Pay mean they can do everything with their phone.

    Plenty already do that with their watches,
    don’t bother to have one anymore.
    And need to when people who don’t have
    a phone need to use yours to call 911.
     
    Rod Speed, Jan 17, 2015
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    Rod Speed Guest

    That isn't going to happen.
    You still would for those who aren't aware of
    the same place location and its significance.

    A mate of mine can't even make a call on
    an iphone or any other mobile/cellphone.

    The last thing we need is people
    like that not being able to use
    someone else's phone to call 911.
     
    Rod Speed, Jan 17, 2015
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    Alan Browne Guest

    I agree completely.

    But that's Euro-think and Americans have never cottoned on to that.
     
    Alan Browne, Jan 17, 2015
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    Alan Browne Guest

    You never know what matters in a particular situation.

    As Kurt correctly points out, all phones should have the exact same
    "emergency" process.

    In the absence of standards, however, that won't happen.

    What is happening (somewhere between strong-maybe to strong-possibly) is
    that smartphones as a repository for personal health data will be
    increasing to the point that emergency responders and hospital staff
    will treat it as they treat a wallet now - a source of information that
    can help them treat the patient more effectively and as a source of
    contacts.
     
    Alan Browne, Jan 17, 2015
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