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Discussion in 'iPhone' started by badgolferman, Jan 14, 2015.

  1. badgolferman

    Lewis Guest

    Yes.
     
    Lewis, Jan 17, 2015
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  2. badgolferman

    Lewis Guest

    No, it shouldn't. That would cause a lot of accidental calls.
     
    Lewis, Jan 17, 2015
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    Rod Speed Guest

    Because not everyone speaks the main local
    language, most obviously with tourists.
     
    Rod Speed, Jan 17, 2015
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  4. badgolferman

    Rod Speed Guest

    Your medical details may well be useful for doing that particularly
    with stuff like diabetes etc where the FRs can do something very
    quickly and may not even need to cart you to the hospital etc.

    Even if you say inject heroin etc, the FRs can fix that
    easily if they know that you are an injecting heroin user.
    Sure, but there isn't any easy way to
    ensure that only the FRs can ever see that.
    They can certainly tell you that the individual
    is having a major problem etc.
    You can obviously get them to ask about that and tell you what the answer
    is.
     
    Rod Speed, Jan 17, 2015
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  5. badgolferman

    Rod Speed Guest

    And I saw it go from no delay at all to that sort of time
    on my iphone 5 with the change from iOS 7.x to 8.x

    I will upgrade to an iphone 6 once Apple Pay is working at
    most of the places that I routinely buy stuff at but there isn't
    any point in upgrading before that, might as well see the
    price get discounted better by waiting till its useful.
    True, particularly for the most stupid members of the public.
    I'd have you publicly flogged if you hadn't enjoyed that so much the last
    time.
    Yep and might see them give up too soon.
    Get the same thing with map updates. Google often fixes it so fast
    that I regret not checking the map more often. Apple has never ever
    fixed a damned thing even with the most obvious fuckups.
     
    Rod Speed, Jan 17, 2015
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  6. badgolferman

    Rod Speed Guest

    Like hell they do.
     
    Rod Speed, Jan 17, 2015
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  7. badgolferman

    Rod Speed Guest

    Plenty would. Mate of mine can't even call a number on
    a mobile phone, I had to do that for him when his car
    key broke and he wanted to ring his wife to being him
    the spare.

    He'd be very useful if someone was unconscious etc tho.
     
    Rod Speed, Jan 17, 2015
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  8. badgolferman

    Rod Speed Guest

    It can be if the shit is hitting the fan rather spec tactually and
    they are tying to do something about someone fitting etc and
    they are the only person there apart from the fitter and its
    dark and raining and they haven't got their reading glasses etc.
     
    Rod Speed, Jan 17, 2015
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  9. badgolferman

    Rod Speed Guest

    Yep, if there is just one person there, and its dark and raining
    and they don’t have their reading glasses with them and the
    individual is fitting rather spectacularly etc. You need to be
    able to use their phone to call 911 if you don’t have one of
    your own.
     
    Rod Speed, Jan 17, 2015
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  10. badgolferman

    Rod Speed Guest

    Nope, because plenty of systems do things differently.
    But it is useful to work out who the next of kin actually is.
     
    Rod Speed, Jan 17, 2015
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    Rod Speed Guest

    We can see from that TV doco series 24 Hours
    in Emergency that real life is nothing like that.
    And that isn't that uncommon.
     
    Rod Speed, Jan 17, 2015
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    Rod Speed Guest

    True.
     
    Rod Speed, Jan 17, 2015
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    Kurt Ullman Guest

    Which sidesteps rather neatly the main point. Why would a random need
    (and more importantly why would I want them to have) access to this
    information. The times when access to my phone is going to slow down
    calling for help are very rare.
     
    Kurt Ullman, Jan 17, 2015
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  14. badgolferman

    Kurt Ullman Guest

    But any more those things are covered by their unconcious person
    protocols. Most of these include either immediate field glucose testing
    or (since low blood sugars are more deadly than high) starting an IV
    with dextrose w/o the test. Same with narcan. Heck with narcan cops and
    even random people on the street are given the medication and given to
    pretty much anyone unresponsive.
    Even if you come back around from low blood sugar, the medical
    authorities will still want you transported.
    Not in the US. I am not going to give that kind of information to a
    random stranger because of privacy laws and common sense.
     
    Kurt Ullman, Jan 17, 2015
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  15. badgolferman

    Kurt Ullman Guest

    That's clearly better than no one calling you at all.[/QUOTE]
    I can't agree. What are they supposed to do, go to the scene?

    I see you answered the questions above (grin).

    I know of no instance where the family showing up at the scene is a
    good idea. First of all, I am not gonna let you into the area where we
    are working. We kick people out of the area even when THEY are the ones
    who call and it is their home. Secondly, all the family member showing
    does is take resources (me, the fire fighters helping, the cop trying to
    keep the crowd back, etc.) from doing the best work we can for the
    patient. Thirdly, I can't legally tell you much anyway. Fourthly unless
    they are okay or dead I won't know all that much in the field.

    How? I can tell you that if 911 gets a call about a party down or
    unresponsive, any more information will not change the call. They will
    respond urgently. It will be a full response period (or should I say
    exclamation point). What is the random person on the street be able to
    to address any likely issue that made you non-responsive? They really
    likely to have sugar packets on them if you are diabetic? They don't
    need your phone to assess for cardiac arrest and start CPR. Phone won't
    tell if the person in front of me is having a stroke. The list goes on.

    I can't see how.
     
    Kurt Ullman, Jan 17, 2015
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  16. badgolferman

    Kurt Ullman Guest

    When you have to work that hard to come up your scenario you are
    sorta making my point.
     
    Kurt Ullman, Jan 17, 2015
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    Alan Browne Guest

    Get to the 911 / dial pad on the phone without delay or hindrance would
    be a nice start.
     
    Alan Browne, Jan 17, 2015
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    Alan Browne Guest

    Better that the Emergency label be right there on that first page. No
    delay. Several languages appropriate to the locale or custom settings.
     
    Alan Browne, Jan 17, 2015
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    Alan Browne Guest

    Unless it dissuades the person from trying to use that phone. Again -
    my context is the person using the victim's phone which might be very
    unfamiliar to them.
     
    Alan Browne, Jan 17, 2015
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  20. badgolferman

    Alan Browne Guest

    Not at all.

    The times they are a changin'. The person's phone will become analogous
    to the wallet. Something to be searched for info about the victim.

    While procedures in place are fine, they are meant to evolve.
     
    Alan Browne, Jan 17, 2015
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