ICE

Discussion in 'iPhone' started by badgolferman, Jan 14, 2015.

  1. badgolferman

    Kurt Ullman Guest

    As a RN and EMT for five years whilst going thru nursing school, I can't
    think of a scenario where a member of the public needs the contact
    details anyway. What are they gonna do, call the number and tell me that
    my loved one has had something bad happen but can't tell me what,
    his/her condition, who is transporting and to where? I really don't see
    any reason to have anyone other than cop, medic, or hospital person with
    access to any of the emergency information. So as long as they are
    knowledgable about it, then all is well.
     
    Kurt Ullman, Jan 16, 2015
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  2. badgolferman

    Kurt Ullman Guest

    I don't think you'll find many emergency room surgeons, nurses, or
    technicians who will say fiddling with a cellular phone is high priority
    in a critical life or death situation where mere seconds matter.[/QUOTE]

    If it has things like pre-existing conditions, medications, etc.,
    then it is vital. In real life, they would probably give the phone to
    one of the techs to look through for that information. The contact
    information would be of use to the admissions people and whoever is
    doing the notifications.
     
    Kurt Ullman, Jan 16, 2015
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  3. badgolferman

    Alan Browne Guest

    There is no need for any delay. On my phone it is slightly over 3 seconds.

    Further - the Emergency label should be right there on that page. Not
    the next.

    (Reminds me about the old joke where Microsoft do car software:

    "Airbag about to deploy. [ OK ] [ Cancel ] )

    The point is if the person who is disabled is the one who has the phone
    and the person using it is not familiar with same it could cost a lot of
    time.
    Already submitted to the cone of silence...
     
    Alan Browne, Jan 16, 2015
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  4. badgolferman

    Alan Browne Guest

    So, I have the latest updates on an iPhone 6 ... and there is this
    difference. Amazing.
     
    Alan Browne, Jan 16, 2015
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  5. badgolferman

    Alan Browne Guest

    Per JR you're a Canadian now. Whether that's good or bad is up to you.

    Yes I use it. 1. It's damned convenient.[1] 2. I now have a more
    complex pass code (letters, numbers and a symbol). Before it was 5 digits.

    [1] Esp. for things like 1Password access. No more punching in that
    rather long password.
    Don't agree with me, damnit!
    In emergencies funny things happen over the slightest of things.
     
    Alan Browne, Jan 16, 2015
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  6. badgolferman

    Alan Browne Guest

    First part of any emergency response is assessment. The better the
    inputs, the better the assessment. So if there is a growing trend to
    people keeping data on their cell phone that could be useful in the ER
    then it will be sought.

    Indeed, if the ambulance crew can get that data out and available on the
    ride to the ER, then time is saved and the response is better.
     
    Alan Browne, Jan 16, 2015
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  7. badgolferman

    Alan Browne Guest

    Yep. But ER personnel are not there to act hastily. They are there to
    act correctly. Time taken on assessment pays off over a wrong course of
    treatment in spades.
     
    Alan Browne, Jan 16, 2015
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  8. badgolferman

    Alan Browne Guest

    The person finding you is most likely not emergency personnel. If he
    needs your phone to place the emergency call, he needs to understand
    what's on the screen quickly.

    Here that would be at least French and English followed by Italian,
    Chinese, Greek and Arabic with dashes of Portuguese and others.

    (Though current generations of those groups, other than Arabic, all
    speak English and/or French).
     
    Alan Browne, Jan 16, 2015
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  9. badgolferman

    Alan Browne Guest

    The first point is for someone to use your phone to call emergency if
    they don't have one. So access to the "Emergency" label on the screen
    should not be impeded by needing to slide a virtual button.


    (Yes, I know people who do not have cell phones for a variety of
    reasons ranging from affordability to hating them and everything in
    between).
     
    Alan Browne, Jan 16, 2015
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  10. badgolferman

    Kurt Ullman Guest

    And how many of those would know to do ANYTHING?
     
    Kurt Ullman, Jan 16, 2015
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  11. badgolferman

    Kurt Ullman Guest

    Nope.
     
    Kurt Ullman, Jan 16, 2015
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  12. badgolferman

    Steve O Guest

    That would never happen, at least not in the UK.
    If you were injured, killed or incapacitated, the emergency services
    would not interrogate the phone and immediately call next of kin.
    In fact, they would never telephone any next of kin at all- it is simply
    not allowed.
    What they would do is try to establish the identity of the victim, then
    locate the *address* of the next of kin, and would arrange a police
    officer to call at the address, and first establish the identity of the
    injured party, secondly, establish that they do indeed have the correct
    next of kin, and only then would they pass the bad news.
    The last thing they would ever do is contact some random person by
    telephone and tell them for example, that their wife or husband was
    critically injured or unconscious, especially if they had not definitely
    identified the victim.
    So really the debate on how long it takes to get ICE information from an
    iPhone is moot.
     
    Steve O, Jan 16, 2015
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  13. badgolferman

    Steve O Guest

    In most cases the staff nurse or sister on the ward would contact police
    and pass any information they had for next of kin, and reqyuest that
    police call at the address to advise the patient's relatives in person
    of what has happened.
    It is quite rare for medical staff to contact any next of kin by
    telephone, except in extremely pressing circumstances where they might
    need medical history or background.
     
    Steve O, Jan 16, 2015
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  14. badgolferman

    Your Name Guest

    ICE (In Case of Emergency) was originally designed solely for "next of
    kin" contact information. That information would be used later by
    hospital admin staff or police to let your family know where you are
    and what has happened. It was not designed to be used by emergency
    medical staff.

    Mostly with the advent of smartphones and the ability to store lots of
    information, ICE has grown to now also include medical information
    which is useful for emergency medical staff to know about - allergies,
    medication reactions, etc. As this becomes more widely used, emergency
    medical staff will probably start quickly looking at the person's
    mobile phone for any such information.

    Either way, ICE has nothing to do with contacting emergency services. I
    seem to remember reading that iPhones can already be used to dial
    emergency services even when locked.

    *BUT*, as I said before, anyone with serious issues would still be best
    to have a MedicAlert or similar since it is more easily spotted than
    fiddling about with the variety of mobile phone models.

    Of course, as with any other information found with an accident victim,
    the mobile phone may not actually belong to them, and the ICE
    information completely irrelevant.
     
    Your Name, Jan 16, 2015
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  15. badgolferman

    Your Name Guest

    That depends on a large variety of factors. Unless there's some legal
    issue, serious accident, or remote / overseas location, police
    involvement is not needed. Hospital staff can and do phone relatives,
    but not as a top priority.


    Which is precisely where the expanded ICE information comes in. Having
    important medical information at hand is much quicker than trying to
    locate the next of kin.
     
    Your Name, Jan 16, 2015
    #55
  16. badgolferman

    Savageduck Guest

    Gaining information regarding medical history is far more important
    than advising the emergency contact of the situation. That can be done
    later.

    There is a greater likelihood that the information in the *Medical ID*
    (ID; age; blood type; medical history; medical conditions being
    treated; current medications; allergies; etc.) is going to be of a
    higher priority than making that contact call. Consider that an
    emergency contact might not be privy to a comprehensive medical history
    of the patient.

    There is a reason medical staff at a hospital spend a reasonable amount
    of time interviewing responsive patients for background information,
    medical history(including prior surgeries), current meds, etc.
    The *Medical ID* available in an iPhone, or Android smart phone gives
    the hospital ER staff an opportunity to get much of that information
    from a comatose patient.
     
    Savageduck, Jan 16, 2015
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  17. badgolferman

    Savageduck Guest

    True in most cases. However, remove serious chronic conditions from the
    equation, and information such as current meds, past surgeries, and
    current transient conditions being treated can be vital.
    Not every diabetic, hypertensive, or patient undergoing chemo-therapy
    is going to bother with, or even need MedicAlert jewelry.
    The iOS *Medical ID* can include a photo of the owner drawn from the
    contacts entry.
     
    Savageduck, Jan 16, 2015
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  18. badgolferman

    Your Name Guest

    Except that many people use pictures of their pet dog, children,
    favourite TV character, etc. as their user picture ... I doubt a phone
    with a picture of Yoda is going to be much help :)
     
    Your Name, Jan 17, 2015
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  19. badgolferman

    Your Name Guest

    To really work it needs to be fully standard across all devices (i.e.
    how it is accessed, what information is there, etc.) as well as quickly
    and easily gotten to, even on locked devices ... which leads to privacy
    issues since then *anyone* can then read it.
     
    Your Name, Jan 17, 2015
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  20. badgolferman

    Savageduck Guest

    All the more reason to not be silly. Just use a reasonably current shot.
    This is what is in my Info:
    <https://db.tt/HElSh8Qs>

    I did my best not to present myself as Yoda, a pet, or 30 years younger
    than I am.
     
    Savageduck, Jan 17, 2015
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