HTML coding help.

Discussion in 'Computing' started by Crash Lander, Oct 1, 2007.

  1. Crash Lander

    Crash Lander Guest

    I've started to learn to write my own html coding for my site. I've run into
    a problem I hope someone can help me with please. When I say started, I mean
    I've read most of one online tutorial I found on the weekend, so I'm fresh
    as......fresh!
    OK! I've set the page up with a frame down one side for menu buttons, with
    the result of clicking the button to appear in the main window. Now, I
    haven't done the buttons yet, so the left frame is empty, but as a temporary
    measure, I've put text links in the main window, so my members and guests
    can still access the forums whilst the site is being built. The forums are
    remotely hosted.
    Now, the issue I have is that when someone clicks on the link in the main
    window to go to the forums, the forums show up in the main window as
    desired, but they no longer remain logged in on subsequent visits, and read
    posts are not registered as read. It's almost like the cookies are not being
    retained for the main window frame. Is there a way to fix this? When you go
    to the forums without going through the front door, ie: the main site, you
    can stay logged in each time you visit, and read posts are remembered as
    read.
    The only way I've thought of to get around this would be to make the forums
    open up in the current window, without the frames, and then just put a link
    on the forum that will take you back to the main site with the frames. This
    then leads me to the next question. What do I have to do in my HTML coding
    to make the forums open up in the current window, without the frames?
    Remembering that the index.html is simply the frameset, and the contents are
    main.html and sidemenu.html.
    I hope I explained this well enough. The site I'm talking about is in my
    sig. What you see on the site (which is only the main page so far) is all
    written from scratch by me, so there may be some coding corrections you can
    suggest if you view source.
    Cheers,
    Crash Lander
     
    Crash Lander, Oct 1, 2007
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  2. Crash Lander

    andrew Guest

    Good on you for writing your own html, it is usually a better option
    than launching stright into a gui composer. Small point: you might be
    better to post this in an html group but a warning ahead: they can be
    a fairly mean bunch and I might suggest a few changes to consider
    first?
    Frames are almost always a bad idea and there is probably no pressing
    requirement to use them here. A better design might be a css layout of
    which there are many templates available. For example:

    http://people.aapt.net.au/~adjlstrong/template_2.html

    Just search for css layouts on Google and you will be fighting them
    off :)
    If you decide to lose the frames, which I hope you do, this will no
    longer be an issue. Can I suggest that you also install the Web
    Developer Toolbar which will aid you immensely. Especially you need to
    make sure your html validates, if you go to an html NG with html that
    does not validate you may very well be roasted alive :)

    Hope these few observations are useful?

    Andrew
     
    andrew, Oct 1, 2007
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  3. Crash Lander

    Oz Lander Guest

    CSS layouts. I know nothing about them. I looked at the link you
    posted, and if you could have seen the blank expression of
    non-comprehension on my face, you'd be pissing yourself laughing for a
    week! ;-/

    I googled css layouts, and found a heap of coding to just cut and
    paste, but I couldn't work out what one actually does with it once one
    has it!

    If I choose a 2 column layout, with the percentages set at say 15%,
    70%, 15%, does that mean that the main information will display in the
    centre column, and scroll as required, and the link buttons I decide to
    put in the first and last columns will stay static? Just like a frame
    setup, only without the frames? I'd only actually want a 2 column set
    up, but I saw some that said 'floating' and some that said 'static'
    etc. It's all so confusing! LOL! 6 weeks ago, I said to myself. I'm
    going to get my own domain name, and put my (already established) forum
    onto it! It's been a long 6 weeks! LOL!
     
    Oz Lander, Oct 1, 2007
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  4. So then this guy called Oz Lander said something like:
    Check out my fairly simple dog web page (and the source).

    http://bcs4me.com/abc/

    It uses a very simple style sheet which replaced the old frame style page I
    used to have. Much better. It has the fixed menu to the left (also very
    simple html) and scrolling main body, etc.

    You can see how simple the css is...

    http://bcs4me.com/abc/style.css

    It's a bit messy after several hours of trial and error, but it works...

    It was something of a leap to move over to css after some years of the
    other, but well worth it. And the site actually passes validation most of
    the time now for a change...

    tim
     
    Tim Fairchild, Oct 1, 2007
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  5. Crash Lander

    Oz Lander Guest

    Thanks Tim, I'll check it out.
     
    Oz Lander, Oct 1, 2007
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  6. Crash Lander

    andrew Guest

    [...]
    Great site and I love those great looking dogs! We have a Cavalier and
    it is refreshing to see a _real_ dog :)

    Andrew
     
    andrew, Oct 1, 2007
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  7. Crash Lander

    Craig Welch Guest

    Again, I suggest you get a good book!

    http://tinyurl.com/yupvse

    and/or

    http://tinyurl.com/2buquu
     
    Craig Welch, Oct 2, 2007
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  8. Crash Lander

    Oz Lander Guest

    This link opens a browser window, then some message box flashes up so
    quick I can't tell what it is, and the browser window closes. What is
    it?
     
    Oz Lander, Oct 2, 2007
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  9. So then this guy called andrew said something like:
    Well, I like most dogs, but BC's are still the pick ;)

    tim
     
    Tim Fairchild, Oct 2, 2007
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  10. So then this guy called Oz Lander said something like:
    Well, that should bring up the source of the style sheet, at least it does
    with firefox...

    It's just the following. I kept it simple...

    ..top {
    margin: 0%;
    padding: 0%;
    background-color : rgb(180, 215, 255);
    float: left;
    position: fixed;
    width: 100%;
    font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;
    top: 0%;
    left: 0%;
    right: 0%;
    bottom: 0%;
    background-image: url(http://bcs4me.com/abc/topback3.gif);
    height: 50px;
    }

    .side {
    border-width: 0pt;
    font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;
    float: left;
    left: 0pt;
    top: 0pt;
    right: 0pt;
    bottom: 0pt;
    height: 100%;
    width: 160px;
    background-color: rgb(180, 215, 255);
    position: fixed;
    margin-top: 0pt;
    margin-top: 60px;
    }

    .body {
    font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;
    background-color : rgb(180, 215, 255);
    float: center;
    height: 100%;
    background-attachment: fixed;
    background-position: left top;
    padding-top: 50px;
    padding-left: 150px;
    padding-right: 0px;
    }

    .margin {
    padding-right: 5%;
    padding-left: 5%;
    }

    .margin2 {
    padding-right: 10%;
    padding-left: 10%;
    }

    .margin3 {
    padding-right: 20%;
    padding-left: 20%;
    }


    tim
     
    Tim Fairchild, Oct 2, 2007
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  11. Crash Lander

    Oz Lander Guest

    I've decided to forget the frames altogether. I had a look at the css
    coding others have suggested, but it's beyond me at the moment. I've
    decided to concentrate on learning basic html first, and get my site
    running properly, then later learn the css stuff and improve the site
    from there with that.
    I've also made a banner on my forums link back to the main site so it's
    as seamless as I can make it, and it all appears to be part of the same
    thing.
    Thanks for the help guys. Much appreciated. No doubt I'll have more
    questions later. I know where I can come and get friendly help and
    advice.
    I now have plenty of links and some books to refer to if I get stuck
    too. Thanks again.
     
    Oz Lander, Oct 3, 2007
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