ive done all that over and over they stay gone for 10 minutes or so the last time the were gone for a few hours then i looked and bam they were running again ive deleted them from the directory each time i reboot into safe mode and run all the programs ect but somehow they keep coming back no clue what to do besides reinstall windows uhg dont want to do that lol do that to often as it is .. would it help to turn sys restore on then back off cause ive had it off since i installed windows the last time