HDD Drive manufacturers in terms of reliability

Discussion in 'DIY Computers' started by Asfand Yar Qazi, Mar 13, 2006.

  1. According to http://www.storagereview.com/ Samsungs are reliable and quiet,
    but a bit slower then the others.

    Synapse Syndrome, Mar 13, 2006
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  2. Synapse Syndrome, Mar 13, 2006
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  3. Hmm... the consensus seems to be that Maxtors seem to have had a bit of a
    problem in the past, so their reliability may be in question depending on if
    you were one of the ones with the problem :) But point taken, I don't intend
    to buy Maxtor.

    WDs seem to be middle of the road - not too many complaints, but not the
    quietest drives around.

    Deskstars seem to have gotten better, but their history quite frankly scares
    me off.

    So, I suppose it's a choice between Seagate and Samsung. That'll depend on
    availability and price.

    Thanks all, this is in my view one of the best hardware forums on the net.
    Asfand Yar Qazi, Mar 13, 2006

  4. ???????

    Synapse Syndrome, Mar 13, 2006
  5. Asfand Yar Qazi

    Fishman > Guest

    IBM actually.
    Samsung has been my second choice for some time & still is.
    Not the fastest but their drives seem reliable & quiet too.
    Worse off - less vendors, less competition > higher prices.
    Fishman >, Mar 13, 2006
  6. In <C5cRf.22118$>,

    ISTR Odie posting about seeing a lot of failures in certain models, and
    storagereview.com's percentile rating [1] for the 7200.8 is an abysmal
    11. Looks like they may have had a glitch with that model and it's one
    to avoid. They don't have enough results for the 7200.9 yet.

    [1] A percentile score of 70 means according to filtered and analyzed
    results from readers, the given drive is more reliable than 70% of the
    other drives reviewed by StorageReview.com.
    Tony Houghton, Mar 13, 2006
  7. According to the StorageReview database, it seems Hitachi Deathstars are the
    quickest in game benchmarks! Hum. Maybe I'll give them a try then.... after
    backing up my data several times and spreading the resulting DVDs randomly
    around a 300m radius of my house, that is.
    Asfand Yar Qazi, Mar 13, 2006
  8. Asfand Yar Qazi

    Dr Teeth Guest

    I was just thinking how wonderful life was, when "Synapse Syndrome"
    I assume that you read the PC Pro and 'use' The Guardian.

    Computer Shopper is my fav PC mag.



    ** Stress - the condition brought about by having to
    ** resist the temptation to beat the living daylights
    ** out of someone who richly deserves it.
    Dr Teeth, Mar 13, 2006
  9. Asfand Yar Qazi

    Dr Teeth Guest

    I was just thinking how wonderful life was, when Asfand Yar Qazi
    Got a replacement a year or so ago that died just after the OS had
    been installed. Thank goodness it was in the kids' PC and not mine.



    ** Stress - the condition brought about by having to
    ** resist the temptation to beat the living daylights
    ** out of someone who richly deserves it.
    Dr Teeth, Mar 13, 2006
  10. He was answering the original question, which asked for the best and
    worst brands (in that order), using minimum words. 8>.
    GSV Three Minds in a Can, Mar 13, 2006
  11. Asfand Yar Qazi

    TMack Guest


    and Samsung
    TMack, Mar 13, 2006
  12. Asfand Yar Qazi

    if Guest

    The trouble with most reviewers is they are benchmark obsessed. You see
    stuff being enthused over because it's 1% faster, which is completely
    stupid. In reality it is rare that a speed difference of less than 50%
    would be significant to an end user, but of course if mags and
    manufacturers acknowledged this they would have to admit that most products
    in a given category are equally fast. One example of this a while back was
    hard disk caches, where IIRC 8Mb cache turned out to give only a 1%
    performance improvement over 2MB, in other words it was of no value at all
    yet cost an extra tenner. This kind of nonsense diverts attention from
    things that could actually make a real difference, such as onsite v. back
    to base warranty, noise levels, etc etc.
    if, Mar 13, 2006

  13. Well, if you actually read PCPro, you'd see that they take a lot more than
    that into account. The editorials are very good too.

    Synapse Syndrome, Mar 13, 2006
  14. The message <>
    Yeahbut, what happened to the missing word, "respectively" ? :)

    Sometimes, minimalism 'just won't cut it'. That was a classic case of
    'Less is less than useless' (to paraphrase the saying 'Less is more').
    It would've worked better if he'd responded immediately below the first
    paragraph instead of a paragraph later.
    Johnny B Good, Mar 13, 2006
  15. Asfand Yar Qazi

    if Guest

    There are now 250 and 300 GB Samsungs out there, I was just looking at
    komplett.co.uk for instance (randomly chosen!) and they have them in stock,
    both at the same price per GB (which is cheaper than the 200GB units).

    The other day I said I was going to get a Seagate next time, but after
    people started mentioning Samsung in this thread I've been doing some
    reading and now decided to get a Samsung instead, either a P120 or T133.
    Important for me is the quietness and low power consumption (the latter
    because it implies less fan noise and less chance of overheating issues),
    and Samsung beats Seagate on both scores. Unfortunately reliable
    reliability figures for the new drives are not yet available but there
    don't seem to be any bad signs on this front.

    Acc. to Tomshardware the 250GB P120 is fast and very quiet.
    They say the newer 3 platter 300GB T133 drive is only average in
    performance though, but just as quiet despite the extra platter (according
    to Samsung's own figures it is 1-2dB louder, but still one of the quietest
    drives around).

    I'm tempted by the T133 despite it being a bit slower as it's the same
    price per GB as the 250GB (sample price: £78 for 300GB v. £66 for 250GB)
    and in principle I always buy the biggest drive that offers a competitive
    price per gigabyte to reduce drive churning, and 300GB looks to be the new
    sweet spot.

    However I see that Samsung also have a 400GB T133 (still 3 platter), but I
    can't find any UK mentions of it, Google only throws up German sites. Does
    anyone know when it will be available here and at what price? If it's
    similar price per GB it might be worth waiting for. I note though that it
    uses a different recording technique to cram 400Gb onto 3 platters, does
    anyone know if there are likely to be any issues with this change?
    if, Mar 13, 2006
  16. In <>,
    If you've got enough statistics to be amazed by them, surely you've got
    enough to at least drop a few hints.
    Tony Houghton, Mar 13, 2006
  17. Bitstring <dv4j2q$6cm$-infra.bt.com>, from the
    wonderful person Synapse Syndrome <>
    They still underestimate the support items compared to the technical
    whizzery though. Case in point (always) Eizo display. Now I've had one,
    and technically it was the bees knees .. 2x better than any other
    display I've seen. heck when I replaced it with an NEC, I =had to=
    upgrade to Winxp with Cleartype just to keep SWMBO happy .. the Eizo
    looks that good with vanilla Win2k.

    Why was it replaced? - because it broke, and the 'back to base' warranty
    was a non starter (Dabs sent it to the wrong country for repair - I had
    no display at all for 6+ weeks). So I'll never again touch a TFT/CRT
    which doesn't have on site swap-out (maybe if I was a company with half
    a dozen spares in the cupboard it would matter less).

    PCPRO still haven't grasped the fact that BTB warranty is a disaster,
    GSV Three Minds in a Can, Mar 13, 2006
  18. The message <[email protected]>
    I, for one, can certainly vouch for their incredible quietness
    (Spinpoint 160GB SATA and PATA models). The only one that _did_ fail was
    down to my heat stress testing my system and trusting DTemp's reports.

    It turns out that DTemp can land up using the primary drive in a two
    SATA drive setup as the source for both drive's temperatures (at least
    as far as the VIA SATA chipset in my system goes).

    I had the "room temperature" up to 42 deg C, the CPU peaking 67 deg C
    in prime95's stress test, and the drives just touching 50 deg C. The
    next day, the second of these drives failed to be recognised on boot up
    and I spent nearly a whole week working out how to recover the 20GB
    FAT32 volume's data (I was able to fully recover the 129GB NTFS volume
    relatively painlessly though).

    Subsequent testing revealed that this drive (in the upper drive bay
    immediately above the primary drive) had actually been running a good 5
    to 6 deg hotter than DTemp's reports and must have been peaking around
    the 56 to 57 deg mark (just one or two degrees above Samsung's optimum
    temperature range of 5 to 55 deg C).

    Quoting the temperature limits as an "Optimum Range" is a bloody
    strange way of saying "Do Not, on any account, Exceed 55 deg C Max" and
    "Operation below 5 deg will impair performance". :-(

    The 55 deg upper limit, with the exception of Maxtor's more generous 60
    deg limit, seems to be common to all makes of drive. Sadly, Maxtor's
    drives run so hot that they use up this extra reserve and then some.

    I strongly suspect the real reason for the apparently high failure rate
    with Maxtor drives is more to do with being mounted in cases that simply
    make no provision to permit a sufficient flow of cooling air without
    serious modification and auxilliary internal cooling fans to direct
    airflow round the drives (a small slimline 60mm fan at 7 volts usually
    suffices to do the job very quietly).

    If the 'Noise Penalty' of the larger capacity models is a mere 1 to 2
    db, the result will still be much quieter than the competition. When I
    had a pair of 160GB Spinpoints in the server (chosen for it's whisper
    quiet cooling), I could barely hear the drives even stooping down to put
    my ear to the box. However, the residual 120Hz spindle vibration can be
    amplified by poor case design, so it's well worth taking measures to
    eliminate this source of noise (unlike the competition's units where the
    platter whine and head actuator noises make this a moot point).

    Sadly, my supplier no longer stocks Samsung drives, so I landed up
    having to make do with the Western Digital 320GB units (SATA for the
    desktop and PATA for the server). Whilst not too noisy, it's pretty
    obvious, especially in the case of the server, that the Samsungs beat
    them hands down in the quietness stakes.
    I've not seen any info on these models so can't help there. Your guess
    is as good as anyone's I suppose. :)

    I'd love to have fitted 400GB (or larger) drives, but the cost of
    'Being the first on the block with the latest toy' is just too much to
    bear. :-( I tend to go for a doubling of capacity on the current size I
    happen to have in service when this size becomes the new cost per
    gigabyte 'sweet spot'.

    Unfortunately, I'm in serious need, right now, for the 640GB drives to
    be at the 'sweet spot' and am seriously contemplating shoehorning
    another pair of 320GB Western Digitals into the server box to 'tide me
    over' (I wonder how the hell people with 160GB PVRs manage?).
    Johnny B Good, Mar 14, 2006
  19. Asfand Yar Qazi

    Linker3000 Guest

    NOT Maxtor - please no - I've replaced 3 in the last 6 months.

    Seagate - oh yes!
    Linker3000, Mar 14, 2006
  20. Asfand Yar Qazi

    Linker3000 Guest

    Yeah, but today (IMHO) Maxtor are crap - tomorrow Maxtor.
    Linker3000, Mar 14, 2006
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