Guy gets caught while trying to stop drivers from talking oncellphones while driving

Discussion in 'iPhone' started by Abe Swanson, Nov 20, 2014.

  1. 290jkl wrote, on Mon, 24 Nov 2014 05:05:57 +1100:
    And manslaughter.
    Joe seph P. W. Kenington, Nov 23, 2014
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  2. Out:;

    Can you not answer the question?
    John McWilliams, Nov 23, 2014
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  3. Abe Swanson

    290jkl Guest

    Degree was always what was being discussed
    which was obvious with the quoting you snipped.
    You snipped what was actually being discussed.
    290jkl, Nov 23, 2014
  4. Abe Swanson

    290jkl Guest

    290jkl, Nov 23, 2014
  5. Abe Swanson

    290jkl Guest

    The question is completely irrelevant to what was being discussed
    when he proved with that quote of the law that what I said originally
    about a particular death being not first degree murder is correct.
    290jkl, Nov 23, 2014
  6. Seems likely!
    Kerr Mudd-John, Nov 23, 2014
  7. We basically mean the same, but from a different perspective and with
    a different angle:

    According to Lewis, if I died from the heart attack, the poor thief of
    the packet of crisps could be charged with first degree murder:

    "A death [mine] during the commission of a crime [stealing a packet of
    crisps] is first degree murder *regardless of the circumstances or cause
    of the death*."
    Frank Slootweg, Nov 23, 2014
  8. Can you not simply answer the question posed without any more verbiage??
    John McWilliams, Nov 23, 2014
  9. Abe Swanson

    290jkl Guest

    Of course I can. I choose not to for the reason I stated twice now.

    I don’t propose to tell you what I had for breakfast either for the same
    290jkl, Nov 23, 2014
  10. Abe Swanson

    D.F. Manno Guest

    Stealing a packet of crisps is not a felony; therefore, no felony murder.
    D.F. Manno, Nov 24, 2014
  11. Abe Swanson

    Savageduck Guest

    The classic example of felony murder, is when the driver of a getaway
    car has been arrested after a failed robbery (bank, convenience store,
    etc) where there has been a homicide, and the homicide can be that of a
    victim, or a crime partner.
    Savageduck, Nov 24, 2014
  12. Lewis said "crime". Stealing a packet of crisps is a crime.

    Of course I know that my comment is bollocks. It's just to demonstrate
    that Lewis' comment is badly worded.
    Frank Slootweg, Nov 24, 2014
  13. Abe Swanson

    Lewis Guest

    Your inability to read for comprehension is noted, but it is not my
    problem. Felony Murder is First Degree Murder in many jurisdictions.
    Lewis, Nov 25, 2014
  14. Abe Swanson

    Lewis Guest

    He proved you are a numpy moron who cannot understand the penal code. He
    eve cited a specific case in which someone is serving a life sentence
    without the possibility of parole (A "special circumstances" murder,
    which is First Degree murder Plus), because his partners in his felony
    were killed in self-defense. That completely blows up your "Felony
    Murder is not First Degree Murder" stupidity.
    Lewis, Nov 25, 2014
  15. Abe Swanson

    Savageduck Guest

    Most murder convictions under the Felony murder rule, are because of
    the related serious felony, first degree murder convictions. Of those,
    some are prosecuted as "Special Circumstances" cases due to type of
    felony and the level of involvement of the individual charged under the
    felony murder rule. A getaway driver usually has as much knowledge &
    involvement in the conspiring, and the commission of a felony as any of
    the other participants.
    Savageduck, Nov 25, 2014
  16. Abe Swanson

    News Guest

    The only numpty here is the Holiday Inn Express "attorney"
    News, Nov 25, 2014
  17. Abe Swanson

    The Real Bev Guest

    "Misdemeanor murder" sounds funny. "Gee, terribly sorry, it just sort
    of came over me that I wanted to bash his head in so I did it. Not
    exactly an accident, but I really didn't plan it." "No problem, just a
    $100 fine, you can leave a check with the bailiff. Next case."
    The Real Bev, Nov 25, 2014
  18. Abe Swanson

    Savageduck Guest

    Terms are being mixed up a bit here. All murders are felonies whether
    they are first, or second degree, and in California with, or without
    *Special circumstances*. The *Felony Murder Rule* comes into play when
    in the commission of a felony, or attempted felony such as a robbery,
    burglary, etc. a crime partner is killed any surviving crime partners
    can be charged with murder in the death of their crime partner under
    the *Felony Murder Rule*.

    If a victim, or bystander is killed as a result of the felony, or
    attempted felony each of the crime partners can be charged with murder,
    or accessory to murder without addressing the *Felony Murder Rule*. How
    the cases are developed depends on the D.A. and any plea bargain deals
    which might or might not be on the table, and if the crime partners
    turn on each other.
    Savageduck, Nov 26, 2014
  19. Abe Swanson

    Your Name Guest

    You're missing an "s" and a space - it should be "Miss Demeanor murder"
    where you kill a young woman name Demeanor. ;-)
    Your Name, Nov 26, 2014
  20. Abe Swanson

    The Real Bev Guest

    Yes, of course. But if the crime is indeed theft of a packet of crisps
    rather than a diamond necklace, is it still felony murder?
    I can see how and why plea bargaining is necessary and a good thing, but
    I have to wonder how many innocent people plead guilty just because the
    odds are against them.
    The Real Bev, Nov 26, 2014
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