Ethernet UTP 2 adjacent rooms. Safety tips. Austel standards.

Discussion in 'Computing' started by Mike, Feb 26, 2006.

  1. Mike

    Mike Guest

    Hi

    I have a four port router running ADSL and I want to cable two PC's in
    adjacent rooms - under the floor. I'd like to cable a third at some stage
    also.

    I have a ready-made UTP cable and for now I'm just going to drill a hole
    into the plaster of my old home. No tidy face plates etc. for now, until my
    mate gets a chance to bring his solid-core cable, tools and parts, in
    several weeks time.

    I have some cable clips for nailing to the bearers, under the house.
    (Though I was thinking of using cable tie loops with these, to hang the
    cable loosely.
    Therefore not damaging the cable? and allowing me to easily replace the
    cable with
    solid-core later.)

    ****The main question**** I'm after safety tips like:
    not running cable parallel with ac conduit
    keeping cable 3 feet away from fluoro's
    where the heck are the acma?/austel standards...(really like to know this if
    poss.)
    how/where can I get a license to diversify my income and do this sort of
    work?
    Is there another newsgroup better suited to this type of question?

    I've gleaned a little from sites and have a few pdf's to go through.

    Any help would be greatly appreciated.

    Thanks

    Mike
     
    Mike, Feb 26, 2006
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  2. Mike

    Rod Speed Guest

    You can just let it lie on the ground with the temporary lashup.
    Not necessary.
    Not necessary.
    Not relevant.
    Yep, perfectly legal.
    Some TAFEs offer it.
    Not really.
     
    Rod Speed, Feb 26, 2006
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  3. Mike

    Saus29 Guest

    As you only endanger your own life (and kids?) you can take the rod bots
    advice and do it however you like. since you have no licence, it cant be
    taken away from you lol.
    make sure to remove the dodgy cable before selling the house so you don't
    pose a risk to the wider community.
     
    Saus29, Feb 26, 2006
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  4. Mike

    Ernest Guest

    Perfectly ok to do.
    Many books recommend having it at least a hand width
    awya to minimase the chance of interference from the
    power - never seen a problem with it and I have a power
    lead running beside m cat 5e for about 3 metres through
    the house
    The Austel website used to say where you could buy these
    for about A$100 plus for the full set - only sell the set when I
    checked.

    Cable Installers course at TAFE and toerh places Austel
    website used to have this info.

    Legally - anyone can make and run network cables without
    a licence as long as NOTHING in that network connects to
    the general telephone network. The moment that any device
    connects to the telephone network in any manner you require
    a cabling licence to make and install ALL the cables on that
    network or cnnected networks and there is lots of paperwork
    that is supposed to e completed by the licenced installer. The
    basic licence also used to allow you to do in the home telephone
    cableing and installation as well.
    Not that I know of.
    Regards,

    Deadly Ernest
    (all typos fault of server or
    other gremlins)
     
    Ernest, Feb 26, 2006
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  5. Mike

    Jollyrodgers Guest

    How the **** can installing his own network cable be life threatening.

    Wanker.
     
    Jollyrodgers, Feb 26, 2006
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  6. Mike

    Rod Speed Guest

    Thanks for that completely superfluous proof
    that you have never ever had a fucking clue.
    Thanks for that completely superfluous proof
    that you have never ever had a fucking clue.
     
    Rod Speed, Feb 26, 2006
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  7. Mike

    Rod Speed Guest

    Wrong, as always. Any approved device that is used to
    connect to the phone network is technically an isolation device.
    Wrong, as always. Any approved device that is used to
    connect to the phone network is technically an isolation device.
    Pathetic, really.
     
    Rod Speed, Feb 26, 2006
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  8. Mike

    TyBreaker Guest

    OK, now I'm thinking your a bot rather than real. Either that or you
    have a database of repetitive phrases you pull out with monotonous
    regularity. I saw that web site devoted to your responses too - gotta
    say, it's a limited supply of material you got there.

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    There are 10 types of people in this world; those who understand the
    binary numbering system and those who don't.

    There's no place like 127.0.0.1.
     
    TyBreaker, Feb 26, 2006
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  9. Mike

    Sandgroper Guest

    Yeah , I know somebody who did the Tafe cable installers course and passed it
    well , BUT he couldn't get any work with the qualification because he didn't
    have the Austel license , and to get the license you had to be working as a
    cable installer , it's was the same old story , you can't get the license
    unless you have the experience and you can't get the experience unless you
    have the Austel license.


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    Sandgroper, Feb 26, 2006
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  10. Mike

    Ernest Guest

    I am so sry that you are so pathetic Rod,
    please try to get better. The legislation
    re the connectivity does not allow for any
    isolation of the netwok via any device just
    connectivity to the network. The Austel
    inspectors and the Austel training docs
    do make a pint of making sure people
    aremade aware that the use of the modem
    makes the home network part of the
    phone network - that was all part of the
    course materials two years ago, and I
    have seen nothing changing it. However,
    that is the law not the practicality or the
    reality - which is they have not been known
    to check the status of any home network.


    Regards,

    Deadly Ernest
    (all typos fault of server or
    other gremlins)
     
    Ernest, Feb 26, 2006
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  11. Mike

    Ernest Guest

    The Austel licence requires that you do
    6 months apprentice with a full licenced
    person - the stupidity is that the licence then
    enables you to wie netwoks, phone lines -
    but not exchanges or PABXs - and normal
    everyday electricity (at least it did when I did
    the course two years ago). So you just got
    friendly with your local electrician and helped
    him out on a few jobs and got him write you
    up the work experience side.

    Mind you if you get me to set up a LAn for you
    and there is no machine linking that to the phone
    network at that time it is all legal. When you add
    a modem or router to connect to the phone
    netwok it is your responsibility to have the whole
    network checked by an Austel licenced person.
    And for home networks that is never checked,
    mainly because people do NOT know the law
    on it and it has not been known to cause a problem
    yet.

    Regards,

    Deadly Ernest
    (all typos fault of server or
    other gremlins)
     
    Ernest, Feb 26, 2006
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  12. Mike

    atec77 Guest

    In Qld its two years practical experience , the tafe course runs about
    1100$ for the 4 days and the practical must be done under the
    instruction of a qualified cabler , not an electrician as many don't
    have the ticket , apart from that accurate enough
     
    atec77, Feb 26, 2006
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  13. Mike

    Rod Speed Guest

    Some gutless fuckwit desperately cowering behind
    puerile shit thats always pouring from the back of it.
     
    Rod Speed, Feb 26, 2006
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  14. Mike

    Rod Speed Guest

    Pathetic, really.
    Bet you cant actually cite any LEGISLATION
    that actually says anything like that.
    There hasnt been any such animal for over a decade now.
    Pity that is a complete pack of lies.
    Pity that is a complete pack of lies.
    Only because you were stupid enough
    to buy that complete pack of lies.
    No it isnt. You cant actually cite any LEGISLATION
    that actually says anything like that.
    They dont even check that stuff with non home
    networks either, because they know damned
    well that it has no legislative authority on that.

    And approved device is technical an isolation
    device. You get to like that or lump it.
    Pathetic, really.
     
    Rod Speed, Feb 26, 2006
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  15. Mike

    Rod Speed Guest

    Complete pack of pig ignorant lies.
    Actually because the authoritys know that there
    is no legal authority when a compliant device is
    used to connect to the phone network.

    And they dont bother to check small businesses either.
    Pathetic, really.
     
    Rod Speed, Feb 26, 2006
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  16. Mike

    Ernest Guest

    snipped th rest to answer this bit
    try some selected highlights of the law you can't find

    Telecommunications Act 1997

    Act No. 47 of 1997 as amended

    This compilation was prepared on 1 January 2006
    taking into account amendments up to Act No. 119 of 2005

    Division 9 Cabling providers

    418 Cabling work

    A reference in this Division to cabling work is
    a reference to:

    (a) the installation of customer cabling for
    connection to a telecommunications network
    or to a facility; or

    (b) the connection of customer cabling to
    a telecommunications network or to a facility; or

    (c) the maintenance of customer cabling
    connected to a telecommunications network
    or to a facility.


    420 Prohibition of unauthorised cabling work

    (1) A person must not perform a particular type
    of cabling work unless:

    (a) the person is subject to the cabling provider
    rules; or

    (b) the person performs the work under the
    supervision of another person who is subject to
    the cabling provider rules; or

    (c) the person is the holder of a cabling licence
    that authorises the performance of that type of
    cabling work; or

    (d) the person performs the work under the
    supervision of the holder of a cabling licence
    that authorises the performance of that type of
    cabling work.


    Regards,

    Deadly Ernest
    (all typos fault of server or
    other gremlins)
     
    Ernest, Feb 27, 2006
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  17. Mike

    Rod Speed Guest

    Completely useless on that particular question.
    Network cabling that goes to a PC that also
    has a modem attached doesnt qualify.

    Next.
    Network cabling that goes to a PC that also
    has a modem attached doesnt qualify.

    Next.
    Pathetic, really.
     
    Rod Speed, Feb 27, 2006
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  18. Mike

    Ernest Guest

    As usual you have not provided any evidence
    of that, while the act does cover that issue as
    requiring a licenced installer in 420.
    Regards,

    Deadly Ernest
    (all typos fault of server or
    other gremlins)
     
    Ernest, Feb 27, 2006
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  19. Mike

    Rod Speed Guest

    YOU need to provide the evidence that network cabling
    with a PC that only connects to a telephone network via
    an approved modem is 'the connection of customer
    cabling to a telecommunications network' etc.

    THATS how it works.

    There might just be a reason why you cant cite even a single
    prosecution of anyone, anywhere, for doing their own network
    cabling when the only connection to a telephone network is via
    an approved modem. There aint a single one, nada, zero, ziltch.
    No it doesnt when the only connection to a
    telephone network is via an approved modem.
    Pathetic, really.
     
    Rod Speed, Feb 28, 2006
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  20. Mike

    Ernest Guest

    The legislation clearly states that anyone doing
    any cabling attached to the network must be a
    licenced cabler - thus non-licenced work is unlawful.
    For a prosecution to take effect the cabling would
    first have to be detected, then identified as being
    done by an unlicenced cabler, and then not corrected
    as the cabling rules allow for people to correct
    matters without being prosecuted.

    Being a home installation the likihood of the matter
    being found are so remote as to be not worth
    considering, which is a point I made in my first response.

    The legislation does not state that if you connect
    through an approved device you can use cabling
    by anyone. A claim that you make and have not
    provided any evidence to justify.


    Regards,

    Deadly Ernest
    (all typos fault of server or
    other gremlins)
     
    Ernest, Feb 28, 2006
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