effort to learn to program MacOSX/iPhone apps? Find programmers?

Discussion in 'iPhone' started by Marc Heusser, Jan 28, 2009.

  1. Marc Heusser

    Marc Heusser Guest

    As I would like to advance an open source program's development:
    How much of an effort would you think is it to learn to program less
    sophisticated programs for Mac OS X and iPhone?

    It is quite some time since my programming days.
    I do have general understanding of object oriented programming, Unix,
    several programming languages but never have done any programming on Mac
    OS X.
    The program involved would be of the kind displaying text and pictures
    from a database (possibly simple text database), and interacting with it.

    And how do I best get started with Xcode etc?

    On a related topic: How do I find good programmers to do such work, both
    on Mac OS X and iPhone?
    Quite possibly I'd be best qualified to lead the project, ie specify
    features etc.


    Marc Heusser, Jan 28, 2009
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  2. A comfortable C programmer can become a competent Objective-C programmer
    in hours. Becoming familiar with the Cocoa libraries is a much larger
    task, but you can still learn enough to get "less sophisticated"
    programs working in a day. It's very good on the immediate gratification
    front, IMO.
    First, make sure you are comfortable with C. If you've got experience
    that includes UNIX and "several programming languages" I'd be somewhat
    surprised if this is a lengthy task. If you've never done C at all, you
    should get a copy of The C Programming Language.


    After that it would be a good idea to at least skim


    Just to take a quick look at the syntax, at least. Then get a copy of
    "Cocoa Programming for Mac OS X" and work through it.


    It's not iPhone oriented, but it will get you going with Xcode and
    Cocoa, and much of that knowledge is transferable to the iPhone even
    though iPhone's got its own variant of Cocoa. Between what you get out
    of Hillegass' book and the online docs you should be fine.

    You will also want to join Apple's developer program (which is free) to
    make sure you have access to the latest version of the tools and docs.
    You will likely want to peruse the options at
    <http://lists.apple.com/mailman/listinfo> and sign on to the developer
    oriented lists. And you'll want to subscribe to the
    comp.sys.mac.programmer.* Usenet groups.

    See prior paragraph. You'll also find *bad* programmers, to be honest,
    but it'll take your own judgement to decide with whom you want to work.
    There's also this site <http://www.macfreelancer.com/> for contracting
    out work. It's an interesting idea but I'm not sure it's ever really
    going to get off the ground. I picked up some decent contacts there, but
    lately it seems like no one who posts a job there is willing to give
    enough info to get a rational bid.
    Gregory Weston, Jan 28, 2009
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    Marc Stibane Guest

    By first making sure they can reach YOU?
    Such as providing a valid Reply-To adress...
    Marc Stibane, Jan 28, 2009
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    Larry Guest

    (Marc Stibane) wrote in
    That's the first test. Obviously, if you can't remove the
    bye.mercialspammers.invalid from his email address, on your own without
    supervision, you're not going to be much of an iPhone or OSX programmer.

    Nice test, Marc. Congratulations....(c;]
    Larry, Jan 28, 2009
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    Arrow201 Guest

    My occupation is as a software developer. i've moonlighted programming
    for the Palm, Blackberry, Windows Mobile. All of these can be program
    off of the Windows OS (obviously Windows mobile :) ). i really like my
    iPhone and would really like to program for it BUT i will not buy a mac just
    for this purpose. There could be a ton of even more and better apps if Apple
    created a programming platform for Windows, linux ...other than forcing a
    developer to buy a mac to do so.
    Arrow201, Jan 28, 2009

  6. I wonder, if the SDK was opened up for Windows and Linux developers,
    whether the proportion of Fart-based applications would change?
    Chris McDonald, Jan 28, 2009
  7. Marc Heusser

    Marc Heusser Guest

    I have invested more than the USD 700 or the USD 1300 (retail, probably
    cheaper as developer) it takes for a Mac mini or a MacBook in a few
    occupations I have had up to now.
    I'd probably even fund the computer if that is what it takes :)

    Marc Heusser, Jan 28, 2009
  8. The cost of a machine suitable for iPhone development is so low that I
    would question how serious someone is who's not willing to make that
    investment. I would, in particular, question if they would be likely to
    deliver a product actually worth using.

    Visual Studio Standard edition lists for $300 and sells for a bit over
    $250. VS Pro lists for $800 and sells for $700.

    A used Mac sufficient for iPhone development runs about $350.
    Gregory Weston, Jan 29, 2009
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    Arrow Guest

    ....yes ..i realize this ...its just the principle, considering all others
    can be developed on a PC
    Arrow, Jan 29, 2009
  10. And, frankly, you're overstating the investment by more than 100%. For
    iPhone development, picking up an x86-based mini from eBay is sufficient.
    Gregory Weston, Jan 29, 2009
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    Calum Guest

    Or VirtualBox :)
    Calum, Jan 29, 2009
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    Adrian C Guest

    IMO You'd do better putting coding efforts towards helping more people,
    rather than focusing on iToy purchasers.

    A major worthwhile project is getting people to sucessfuly jump ship to
    Linux from windows XP, when microsoft finally stops XP support - and
    renders Vista/Win7 as an unworkable bloated successor.

    At the moment, Linux is quite a lot rough around the edges for non-geeks
    - and applications are not as user friendly as Mac OS desktop and XP.
    Same with installation of those applications, and installation of hardware.

    Lots of work there, some profitable as well.
    Adrian C, Jan 29, 2009
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    Adrian C Guest

    No, people generally buy computers that they _can_ use and then get very
    comfortable with the richness of tools they contain, and the fact that
    someone else pre-installed a lot of it for them. Moving all of that
    across to, say, Ubuntu is so stressful to them - call a geek....
    Yup. It's about time someone started a proper 'jump ship' packaging
    effort and removed the fussy bits (of which there are many). Ubuntu is
    about as friendly as a cornered rat to some. Try configuring a printer
    or wireless.
    Adrian C, Jan 29, 2009
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    Marc Heusser Guest

    You must be joking :)
    Have you ever tried Ubuntu? I'd go for that any time I am forced to use
    That I know, and I suspect that this (making Windows work and being paid
    for it) is a major reason for its dominance. ;-)

    Anyway, lets stop before we get into a flame war. The question was about
    how to program Mac OS X and iPhone OS, not why.

    Marc Heusser, Jan 29, 2009
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    Adrian C Guest

    Brakes applied ;-)
    Adrian C, Jan 30, 2009
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