Educational licensing for Windows servers

Discussion in 'PC Technical Talk' started by Graham, Oct 27, 2004.

  1. Graham

    Graham Guest

    When I've configured modern Windows servers, the procedure to add more CALs
    is to key in the license codes and have them authenticated via the internet.
    CALs come in two flavours - "device" and "user".

    I've been asked to help with a server at a school, where the education
    authority approved supplier who installed the system has not been able to
    resolve the school's problems. It seems that the problems are caused by
    insufficient licenses. They have a pair of Windows 2003 servers.

    However, the process of licensing seems very much simpler. You simply tell
    the computer you have bought a given number of CALs, and tick a license
    agreement to assert that you have actually bought these licenses. There is
    no distinction between "device" and "user" CALs.

    Is this because they have some sort of educational special arrangement?

    Any pointers for independent information about this?


    -- Graham
    Graham, Oct 27, 2004
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  2. Graham

    Tim Stannard Guest

    I don't think this 'll help much, Graham, but FWIW.....

    Since moving to Windows Server 2003 on 3 servers in two different
    educational sites I've never had to enter or revise the number of CALs
    on the servers and neither have the servers reported "out of
    licences". I hadn't given this a thought until your post. The previous
    installations - NT4 Server - used to warn me every now and again.

    I *suspect* that this is because the version of Windows 2003 Server is
    different from the commercial one (or the serial number triggers a
    different set of parameters). It was sourced under the Microsoft
    Schools Agreement and, apart from entering the 20 character serial no.
    upon installation, it has never moaned about anything since.

    Suggest you phone up Microsoft (OK, easier said than done, I know)
    with the serial no supplied by the LEA's approved supplier and check
    exactly what has been supplied.***

    *** This may or may not help. A few days ago, I installed a PC with
    Windows XP Pro and was informed, upon trying to activate it over the
    internet, that this serial no had already been activated. After
    checking with my supplier, who assured me that the version/serial no
    he supplied was legit and suggested I ring Microsoft, I rang
    Microsoft. They didn't appear to give a monkey's - asked me for the
    first six characters of the key and issued me with a code without so
    much as a by your leave.

    This suggests to me one of the following:
    a) M$ don't really give a toss about copies (unlikely)
    b) The serialization programme was flawed, resulting in duplicates
    c) The problem is so big they can't cope with every case of fraud

    This is the only case of a serial number problem I've ever experienced
    with M$ products, but there again I probably only install a few dozen
    systems (other than under Schools Agreement) per year so my sample is
    small. I'd be interested to learn what experience others have had.
    Tim Stannard, Nov 2, 2004
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  3. Graham

    Graham Guest

    [snip good stuff about M$ authentication]

    I think even commercial versions of NT4 licenses relied on trust.

    These licenses appear to have been provided under "Microsoft Select
    Applications Academic" - so more research needed here...

    Curiously, even after telling the server it had over 600 licenses (for 571
    users) the event log shows "out of licenses" error messages 4 times per day.

    Is it your understanding that there is no difference between "user" and
    "device" licenses for this sort of academic license?

    I've noted you're particularly knowledgeable about educational systems - can
    we continue this in private? You could email me on ...

    -- Graham
    Graham, Nov 2, 2004
  4. I have configured this system here at home which does not operate like
    this, and at a local school who had it as a sellect aggreement (not
    sure whether this is what you had), and the process was the same -
    i.e, choose whether device or user based licenses (if the serial
    doesn't dictate this), enter the license, and activate it.

    Andrew Hodgson, Nov 21, 2004
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