DOZEN OF NUCLEAR DESALINISATION PLANTS IN AUSTRALIA SOON

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  1. TWO DOZEN OF NUCLEAR DESALINISATION FACILITIES SOON IN AUSTRALIA TO FACE
    THE WORSENING DDD, ( DIVINE DRUDGING DROUGHT ) , AND COUNTER THE TERRIBLE
    WATER SHORTAGE RESULTING !
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    Nuclear Approach to Water Shortage

    Simon Grose describes plans to desalinate water using nuclear energy.

    While the possibility of access to nuclear weapons by Iraq and North
    Korea heightens the chance of warfare in the short term, longer-term
    predictions are that conflict over access to water will cause wars in many
    parts of the world.

    So it may be an ironic surprise that there is a growing momentum to
    use nuclear-powered desalination plants to reduce the chance of future water
    wars. This will be a scary surprise to many in nuclear-phobic Australia, but
    it will be a fear that more Australians may become willing to accept as our
    population grows and demand for our limited natural fresh water inexorably
    increases.

    Dr Clarence Hardy, who heads the Australian Nuclear Association, is
    one of the few Australians to actively advocate nuclear-powered
    desalination. "You can desalinate water with solar energy but it's a very
    difficult thing to do commercially. It's easy to do when you've got a lot of
    waste heat from a big fossil fuel or nuclear power plant," Dr Hardy says.
    "At the moment the Australian public is very anti-nuclear so I wouldn't see
    it coming in the next 10 years, but beyond that there is a potential."

    Whatever happens here, Australians should be aware that many other
    countries are actively pursuing the nuclear desalination option right now.
    Their motivation arises from simple demand and supply equations. While we
    know our current drought will eventually end and flooding rains will take
    their turn, water shortages are a chronic problem in many north African,
    Middle East and central Asian countries.

    When these nations look for solutions they discover that 97.5% of the
    Earth's water resource is salty. When they look at the best way to remove
    the salt they find it is a very energy-intensive exercise.

    A conference held in Marrakech, Morocco, in October last year -
    Nuclear Desalination: Challenges and Options - came to the conclusion that
    nuclear power is the "technical and economic optimum" for desalination. A
    second conference is scheduled for Saudi Arabia in 2004, and British
    publisher Inderscience says it intends to launch the International Journal
    of Nuclear Desalination.

    The conference organisers - the World Council of Nuclear Workers, the
    Association of Moroccan Nuclear Engineers, the International Atomic Energy
    Agency and the World Water Council - were largely talking their own book in
    reaching this conclusion. But their view is based on Russian and Japanese
    experience, which is being followed by several other countries (see box).

    Russia's new approach is to build floating nuclear plants that can be
    used to generate power and desalinate seawater. Alexander Rumyantsev, Russia
    's Minister of Nuclear Energy, gave the go-ahead in November to construct
    the country's first water-borne nuclear power plant. It will service the
    city of Severodvinsk on the country's Arctic coast and is estimated to cost
    about $300 million to construct, about one-tenth of the cost of a
    similar-sized unit on land.

    Mr Rumyantsev argues that Russia's long experience in constructing
    small reactors for nuclear-powered submarines and other vessels stands it in
    good stead to construct safe floating nuclear facilities. "We have not
    registered a single case of failure with these reactors to date," he told
    the RIA Novosti news service. "With reference, for example, to the
    tragically sunken nuclear submarine Kursk, I would like to stress that the
    only unit that had effectively blocked itself off in the first seconds of
    the disaster and remained totally safe and intact was the vessel's nuclear
    reactor."
    According to Russian media reports, the Severodvinsk project was
    approved after a community consultation process involving about 150 local
    residents. A report forwarded by Russia's Embassy in Canberra claims that
    radionuclides emitted by the city's existing coal-fired plant expose
    residents to 15 times the radiation that will be released by the new
    floating nuclear plant.

    Radiation aside, the report says that the existing plant drops about
    17,000 tonnes of soot on the surrounding Arkhangelsk region each year, a
    public health problem that the new plant will not contribute to. "The use of
    nuclear power implies only one premature death during the entire operation
    of the station (40 years) vs 280 incidents every year with the use of a
    coal-powered plant," the report says.

    Russia is actively marketing its floating reactor technologies to
    other countries for both power generation and desalination. According to the
    president of the World Council of Nuclear Workers, Andre Masseu, at the
    Marrakesh conference "the Russians were there with their order book".

    Dr Hardy, who has worked in the nuclear industry in Britain, the US
    and Australia, where he was a division head at the Australian Nuclear
    Science and Technology Organisation and its predecessor, the Atomic Energy
    Commission, says countries need to adopt a mix of technologies to generate
    energy and provide fresh water. "Nuclear has a role to play, as it is now in
    many major countries," he says, pointing out that France now produces more
    than 80% of its electricity with nuclear power.

    He argues that concerns over radioactive waste - the major hurdle for
    the proponents of adding nuclear-powered plants to Australia's energy mix -
    are unrealistic. "It's very small volume, it can be controlled, and if you
    allow people to put it deep underground and lock it away geologically it won
    't come back to the surface. It could play a role in Australia, but not
    until we've had a complete educational culture change, stop regarding it as
    the work of the devil, and give due regard to all the problems of fossil
    fuels."

    By the middle of this century, when the Murray-Darling river system
    has been reduced to a salty billabong that occasionally leaks into the
    ocean, South Australia may have to consider the trade-offs. Perth, which is
    draining its aquifers unsustainably, will also have to make difficult
    decisions about its future water supplies.

    In a century when greenhouse emissions will become increasingly
    proscribed, and if nuclear-powered desalination becomes established as a
    safe and cost-effective technology in other countries, Australians in these
    and other communities will have to consider it as a way to guarantee fresh
    water supplies. Especially if it is cheaper and safer than going to war.


    NUCLEAR DESALINATION AROUND THE WORLD

    The former Soviet Union was a pioneer of nuclear-powered
    desalination. A reactor at Aktau, in what is now Kazakhstan, generated
    electricity and up to 80,000 m3 of potable water per day for 27 years before
    it was decommissioned. Japan runs 10 desalination facilities linked to
    nuclear power stations, each producing up to 3000 m3/day of potable water.

    India is currently commissioning a desalination demonstration
    project coupled with two reactors at the Madras Atomic Power Station. It
    will trial the two main desalination methods - distillation and pressurised
    osmosis - to produce a maximum 6300 m3/day of fresh water. Pakistan is
    planning a 4500 m3/day demonstration plant at a nuclear power station near
    Karachi. China is assessing the feasibility of a nuclear plant that would
    produce 160,000 m3/day.

    Tunisia is considering the construction of a nuclear power
    station that would also desalinate groundwater in the country's south-east,
    Morocco has completed a pre-project study for a reactor that would produce
    8000 m3/day of potable water, and Egypt has begun a feasibility study of a
    cogeneration plant for electricity and desalination on the Mediterranean
    coast.

    South Korea has developed a small reactor design for
    cogeneration of electricity and the production of 40,000 m3/day of potable
    water, Indonesia is looking at the feasibility of a cogeneration unit for
    Madura Island, and Argentina has developed a small nuclear reactor design
    for cogeneration or desalination alone.



    NORMAL, with the DDD worsening all the time !
    .... and we are only a full month into Spring !


    By Courtesy of :

    --
    Sir Jean-Paul Turcaud
    Australia Mining Pioneer
    Discoverer & Legal Owner of Telfer, Kintyre & Nifty Mines
    The Great Sandy Desert.of Australia
    Discoverer of the South Atlantic Submarine Gold Placers
    ( 40 Millions Tons estimate )
    FOUNDER OF THE TRUE GEOLOGY

    "THE GOLDEN RULE"
    "Gold and Intrigue in the Desert"
    "The true story of the discovery of the Telfer gold mine"
    Author : Bob Sheppard, President of the Australian Prospectors' Union
    Author's contact & web page : www.tnet.com.au/~warrigal/
    Order from : Hesperian Press, PO Box 317 Victoria Park, 6979 W.Australia.
    AUS 40.00 + post

    Published in Perth 15th December 2002

    * The Greatest Australian Mining Covered Up Swindle Of The 20th Century
    http://membres.lycos.fr/jpturcaud/
    ( Scuttled on Oct 29th 2003 under the Mining Criminals' cheers, and having
    reached over 92 Millions Hits )

    * The True Geology
    http://membres.lycos.fr/jpt
    ( Was also wound up on Oct 29th 2003 due to plagiarism hazards )


    ~~Ignorance Is The Cosmic Sin, The One Never Forgiven ! ~~
     
    Sir Jean-Paul Turcaud, Nov 4, 2004
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    Sandgroper Guest

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    Idiot !! , Aust is a nuclear free zone.

    http://lovershaven.tk/i/
     
    Sandgroper, Nov 4, 2004
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  3. It was, Dork !

    --
    Sir Jean-Paul Turcaud
    Australia Mining Pioneer

    ~~Ignorance Is The Cosmic Sin, The One Never Forgiven ! ~~
     
    Sir Jean-Paul Turcaud, Nov 4, 2004
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    Ken Oaf Guest

    It's pissing down with rain at the moment.
     
    Ken Oaf, Nov 4, 2004
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    Ken Taylor Guest

    No doubt the DDFDD (Divine Drudging Flood as Defined by Dufus).
     
    Ken Taylor, Nov 4, 2004
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  6. Keep them coming the evidence against you is growing all the time.
     
    Group_moderator, Nov 4, 2004
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  7. And Lucas Heights Reactor is ????
     
    Richard Freeman, Nov 4, 2004
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    Sandgroper Guest

    ......... a medical /scientific reactor that is used for research and to
    produce nuclear medicine and was build before the advent of aust becoming a
    nuclear free zone.
     
    Sandgroper, Nov 5, 2004
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    Rod Out back Guest


    Sooooooo,

    The NEW Lucas Heights reactor is already VERY old, is it??? I thought it was
    either only just completed, or still under construction!

    First of all you said we are nuclear-free, and then the next minute we are
    conditionally nuclear. Make your mind up!

    Oh, and Jean-Paul? We're having a little rain here at present. If you could
    tell your old Celtic God he's slipping a bit, would you? Theres a good
    chap...

    Cheers,

    Rod.......Out Back
     
    Rod Out back, Nov 5, 2004
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    E. Guest

    ....powered by 4 D-cells.
    E.
     
    E., Nov 5, 2004
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    Michael Guest

    piss off Turd-caud

     
    Michael, Nov 5, 2004
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    Michael Guest

    So whats at Lucas heights then?
     
    Michael, Nov 5, 2004
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  13. this guy is a total dick, lets go for the nuclear water plant and export the
    waste to this morons place. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11
     
    Mr John & Leisa Threlfo, Nov 5, 2004
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  14. A good typist, but a bad speller I guess, Dork ?

    Next time, try to develop a bit on your idea, expose clearly your
    arguments, sound more convincing !
    The way you espress it, you sound llke a Dude !

    Tu comprends ça, pauvre Con ?

    --
    Sir Jean-Paul Turcaud
    Australia Mining Pioneer


    ~~Ignorance Is The Cosmic Sin, The One Never Forgiven ! ~~




    "Michael" <> a écrit dans le message de
    snipped the Vilain's input
     
    Sir Jean-Paul Turcaud, Nov 5, 2004
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    Hunter1 Guest


    And is STILL something that proves we are not a nuclear free
    zone. Luckily I'm all for it, so I don't give a shit.
     
    Hunter1, Nov 5, 2004
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    SmakDaddy Guest

    the linesort of turns fuzzy and grey when you have american nuclear marine
    craft docking all over the place, and piss-poorly maintained french
    submarines that allready have reactor leaks stopping in WA for repairs...
    bloody french...
     
    SmakDaddy, Nov 5, 2004
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    Gorzzz Guest

    [big snip]

    Yeah........why not????.......be able to use the water to light up the house
    for the next 10,000 years...save on electricity :p

    gorzzz
     
    Gorzzz, Nov 6, 2004
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    KLR Guest




    Can I ask what is the point you are making here ?

    Isn't it a good thing if the government here is trying to do something
    positive about a serious problem?


    With any of these things, whether it be water shortages, environment
    etc reducing population is the only real solution, but that isnt going
    to happen, so what else can we do ?
     
    KLR, Nov 6, 2004
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  19. Well seen, Shane !
    Thanks for stigmatising those bloody hypocrites !

    I have a better word for it :

    IT IS SCHIZOPHRENIC SYNDROME AFFECTING INDEED ALL OF THOSE DELUDED "NUCLEAR
    FREE AUSTRALIA" BONGS

    --
    Sir Jean-Paul Turcaud
    Australia Mining Pioneer



    ~~Ignorance Is The Cosmic Sin, The One Never Forgiven ! ~~
     
    Sir Jean-Paul Turcaud, Nov 6, 2004
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  20. What the point I am making, Mate ?

    Well it is an introduction to say that the Howard Government, as recently
    as September last, convened a restricted meeting of Australia top brass,
    alongside US nuclear advisers, to consider the planning _ and more
    important indeed _ the way news should be broken to the Australians sheep at
    large; that the nuclear free era was just a dream of the past ! ....that
    Australia as a modern country just had step in pace with the rest of the
    world ! ... and part of the campaign funds of Howard besides coming from the
    well known Mining Criminals of Newmont / Newcrest / BHP / WMC / Boral / CRA
    , came as well from that direction. Have tried to work out mates, how much
    really did cost Howard 's last electoral campaign ? Well the figure is 5
    fold what was announced and over 10 times what the ALP had available !!!! Of
    course none of the ALP has any fucken clue about that 10 Billions Quids
    project. This is why on one part Howard was so concerned about wining the
    election that he had a stroke, and keeping up to his promises to his
    backers, that the poor bloke had a stroke ( well hushed up, since none of
    you heard of it, hey ? )

    Six ( 6 ) Nuclear Decimalisation Plants are planned at the present time all
    over Australia, with others to be built in due time :
    1 for Sydney
    1 for :Melbourne
    2 for South Australia
    2 in Western Australia of whch one located close to Esperance will feed the
    Eastern Goldfieldsm and take the load off Perth catchments area


    I believe the project is called " THE BLUE WATER PROJECT " and studies have
    been going on for over 3 years at the ANU, funded by other projects fund
    diverted of their original direction.
    .... and you can all check it too, and find out why some research had to be
    abandonned !

    GO AHEAD BASTARDS AND SEE IF I DON T UTTER THE PLAIN TRUTH !!!

    And this, Howard 's and his crew ' bad luck in believing he could on one
    hand run down to the gutters an Australian Mining Pioneer, and at the same
    time prevent such superior intelligence to know what 's goes on down under;
    AND REVEAL IT PUBLICLY !
    Just as in the past I haven't been afraid to speak loud and clear about
    Howard 's involvement into the PORT ARTHUR HOLOCAUST !

    # AND IN THE MEANTIME THE DDD WORSENS UNTIL I AM BACK IN AUSTRALIA #


    HONOUR TO OUR ALMIGHTY CELTIC GOD


    --
    Sir Jean-Paul Turcaud
    Australia Mining Pioneer
    Discoverer & Legal Owner of Telfer, Kintyre & Nifty Mines
    The Great Sandy Desert.of Australia
    Discoverer of the South Atlantic Submarine Gold Placers
    ( 40 Millions Tons estimate )
    FOUNDER OF THE TRUE GEOLOGY

    "THE GOLDEN RULE"
    "Gold and Intrigue in the Desert"
    "The true story of the discovery of the Telfer gold mine"
    Author : Bob Sheppard, President of the Australian Prospectors' Union
    Author's contact & web page : www.tnet.com.au/~warrigal/
    Order from : Hesperian Press, PO Box 317 Victoria Park, 6979 W.Australia.
    AUS 40.00 + post

    Published in Perth 15th December 2002

    * The Greatest Australian Mining Covered Up Swindle Of The 20th Century
    http://membres.lycos.fr/jpturcaud/
    ( Scuttled on Oct 29th 2003 under the Mining Criminals' cheers, and having
    reached over 92 Millions Hits )

    * The True Geology
    http://membres.lycos.fr/jpt
    ( Was also wound up on Oct 29th 2003 due to plagiarism hazards )


    ~~Ignorance Is The Cosmic Sin, The One Never Forgiven ! ~~
     
    Sir Jean-Paul Turcaud, Nov 6, 2004
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