AT&T Locks Apple SIM Cards on new iPad Air 2 & iPad mini 3

Discussion in 'iPad' started by David Howard, Oct 24, 2014.

  1. David Howard

    Erilar Guest

    Sometimes, some places.
     
    Erilar, Oct 29, 2014
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  2. David Howard

    Erilar Guest

    I could get nothing at all. Even with what I have, which does allow data
    roaming(limited, as far as I've been able to see ) is spotty within my
    area.
     
    Erilar, Oct 29, 2014
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  3. David Howard

    Erilar Guest

    Google Maps doesn't load off line, at least not on my iPad.
     
    Erilar, Oct 29, 2014
  4. How would they (T-Mobile) be able to tell (if you're using a phone or
    a tablet)?

    I had the same non-problem with a 'phone' data-bundle, which I wasn't
    supposed to use with my laptop. As long as I've a bit of tape over my
    web-cam, how are they going to find out? :)
     
    Frank Slootweg, Oct 29, 2014
  5. It depends on what/how_much is *in* that X mile radius. I.e. if it's
    densily (sp?) 'populated - many roads/streets/houses, etc. - the size of
    the radius is small. If it's Australia, you can fit the whole bloody
    country in it! :)

    So, it's how big a *file* you can save, not how big a *radius*.
     
    Frank Slootweg, Oct 29, 2014
  6. David Howard

    Patty Winter Guest

    Have you activated it??


    Patty
     
    Patty Winter, Oct 29, 2014
  7. David Howard

    Patty Winter Guest

    Probably by the MAC address?


    Patty
     
    Patty Winter, Oct 29, 2014
  8. David Howard

    Zaidy036 Guest

    for calls to Apple devices use FaceTime otherwise Viber or Skype.

    All work world wide for free
     
    Zaidy036, Oct 29, 2014
  9. David Howard

    Guest Guest

    for me, it's a major city, and 20 miles covers a *lot* of data.
     
    Guest, Oct 29, 2014
  10. David Howard

    Guest Guest

    then all you needed to do was go to settings and activate it. calling
    t-mobile is where it went astray.

    if the sim has been activated at all, you'll need a new unactivated sim.
     
    Guest, Oct 29, 2014
  11. David Howard

    Guest Guest

    they have an endless supply of idiots.
     
    Guest, Oct 29, 2014
  12. David Howard

    Guest Guest

    the imei identifies the specific device, so a carrier can block or
    allow whatever they want.

    t-mobile blocks non-tablets from the free data plan.

    t-mobile has also been known to block data on usb data sticks with a
    phone plan.
    easily. whether they actually do that may vary.

    a common occurrence is if you put a sim with a non-smartphone plan into
    a smartphone, some carriers have been known to 'upgrade you to a
    smartphone plan as a courtesy', saving you the time to call them.

    they know.

    not all carriers care, but some definitely do.
     
    Guest, Oct 29, 2014
  13. I doubt it. MAC addresses do not really differ between phones and
    tablets, but mainly between manufacturers. Also locking the (free)
    service to a MAC address wouldn't allow you to changes tablets (for
    example in case of repair, damage, etc.).

    Anyway, to tell one way or the other, we need more data :) !
     
    Frank Slootweg, Oct 29, 2014
  14. But does a carrier know *beforehand* if a specific IMEI is a phone or
    a tablet? That would mean they would need a database of all the (ranges
    of) IMEIs in the world.

    So, I do believe that if you tell the truth once - i.e. "This device
    I'm activating now is a phone." - that you can't 'lie' about it later.
    Even if you 'lie' at activation time?

    [More of the same deleted.]
     
    Frank Slootweg, Oct 29, 2014
  15. David Howard

    Guest Guest

    the manufacturer and device are encoded into the imei.

    put an imei into this and it will tell you about the device:
    <http://www.numberingplans.com/?page=analysis&sub=imeinr>

    the imei structure is here:
    <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Mobile_Station_Equipment_Ide
    ntity#Structure_of_the_IMEI_and_IMEISV_.28IMEI_Software_Version.29>
    The model and origin comprise the initial 8-digit portion of the
    IMEI/SV, known as the Type Allocation Code (TAC). The remainder of
    the IMEI is manufacturer-defined, with a Luhn check digit at the end.
    you don't have to tell them anything because the imei is sent any time
    you connect to the network.
    you can lie all you want but they're going to key off the imei that
    gets sent.

    if you change the imei to pretend to be a device it isn't, you've
    engaged in fraud.
     
    Guest, Oct 29, 2014
  16. David Howard

    David Howard Guest

    I thought I was clear, but maybe not.
    I'd *love* to know another way to do the following, but, clearly
    Viber, Skype, and FaceTime don't do it.

    These are the "four things" I have currently with GV & GH:
    0. No fees whatsoever (other than the one-time $10 SIM card fee)
    1. Receive calls from landlines (and mobile) on my tablet.
    2. Make calls from the tablet phone number to USA landlines.
    3. Receive SMS text messages on that same number on my tablet.
    4. Send SMS text messages from that same number on the tablet.

    I don't see how FaceTime & Viber & Skype can do that (I wish they did),
    but, I'm all ears if you can come up with a better set of software than
    the google stuff (which, while it works, has a lousy user interface).

    So, if someone can come up with something better than what I came up
    with, for free, please let me know because I'd love to ditch Google Voice
    & Google Hangouts, if only I could find a replacement that did the 4
    things, for free, that I've listed above.
     
    David Howard, Oct 30, 2014
  17. David Howard

    David Howard Guest

    I have multiple tablets and I switch the SIM card between them when I
    feel like it, and they still work.

    So, the card is not *locked* to the tablet.
    The only thing that changes is the phone number of the tablet.

    But, I'm sure they can *tell* that I did this (if they cared).
    They probably don't use the MAC address though.
    They probably use the IMEI.

    Neither is unique (despite inevitable protestations from others that they
    are); but they're close enough for government work.
     
    David Howard, Oct 30, 2014
  18. David Howard

    David Howard Guest

    I have to look up what a "usb data stick" is, that has a SIM card ???
     
    David Howard, Oct 30, 2014
  19. David Howard

    David Howard Guest

    I've had long arguments with AT&T over this "courtesy".
     
    David Howard, Oct 30, 2014
  20. David Howard

    David Howard Guest

    That's a good question!

    IIRC, when I had activated my tablet with T-Mobile, I gave them the
    numbers off the SIM card and off the tablet (this was a while ago, so I
    think that's what I did). I certainly did give them information over the
    phone.

    So, it's a good question of what happens if we just give them a phone
    IMEI, and serial number, and tell them that it's a tablet.
     
    David Howard, Oct 30, 2014
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