Apple sued for shrinking storage space on 16GB devices thanks toiOS 8

Discussion in 'iPhone' started by Whitney Ryan, Jan 1, 2015.

  1. Whitney Ryan

    Erilar Guest

    Many people (whether young or simply clueless) don't know this. I'm
    probably one of the few who's actually done it :cool:
    Erilar, Jan 5, 2015
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  2. Whitney Ryan

    Your Name Guest

    From today's Macworld junk email ...

    Apple faces dumb lawsuit over the size of iOS 8
    You mean my 16GB device doesn't have 16GB of free space?
    I'll see you in court.

    iOS 8 has had its share of problems, and now we can throw
    one more on the pile: a lawsuit. Two plaintiffs have
    filed a suit claiming their 16GB iPhones and iPads don¹t
    actually come with 16GB of storage, and iOS 8 takes up
    too much space ‹ and Apple should make that clearer, in
    case we are all idiots who don¹t get that operating
    systems do use storage.

    Ars Technica¹s iOS 8: Thoroughly Reviewed includes a
    look at how much more storage space iOS 8 consumes,
    versus a clean install of iOS 7.1.2, and it does gobble
    a significant chunk: about 740MB on iPhones and 1.03GB
    on iPads. If you¹re using a 16GB device, that¹s 4.5 to
    6.4 percent. Which doesn¹t sound like a ton, but 740MB
    can hold a lot of photos.

    This lawsuit is still pretty silly on its face, for a
    couple of reasons. The plaintiffs want the class to
    include not just people who upgraded their devices to
    iOS 8, but people who bought new devices with iOS 8
    preinstalled on them. But those people didn¹t "lose"
    anything ‹ they never had that storage space, because
    every computing device that ships with an operating
    system works the same. Some of the advertised space is
    taken up by the OS. That¹s baseball.

    The complaint comes with its own table of capacity
    figures, sort of like Ars Technica¹s ... except that the
    data displayed is "represented capacity" of 16GB versus
    the actual capacity with iOS 8 installed. So that
    particular table isn¹t showing that iOS 8 hogs more
    space than iOS 7‹just that it uses capacity, period.

    Cloud pushers
    And the suit also mentions that Apple cruelly offers "to
    sell that capacity in a desperate moment, e.g., when a
    consumer is trying to record or take photos at a child
    or grandchild¹s recital, basketball game or wedding."
    The lawsuit is referring to iCloud storage here of
    course, but it¹s not like once you give Apple your
    money while sitting courtside at the recital portion of
    your grandkid¹s basketball-themed wedding, suddenly
    your iPhone grows more gigabytes and you can magically
    take more photos‹unless you delete some.

    iOS 8 shows you exactly what's taking up space ‹ and
    it's usually photos and videos. While buying iCloud
    storage is one fix, it's certainly not the only one.

    But before you delete them from your Camera Roll, you¹ve
    got to put them somewhere else. iCloud ‹ free or paid ‹
    won¹t really help you unless you¹re able to upload all
    the photos from the rehearsal dinner over Wi-Fi. So
    lesson learned: If you¹re going to a big event, make
    sure there¹s plenty of room available for photos and
    videos. And of course there are copious options for
    storing your photos so you can delete them from your
    Camera Roll: Flickr, Google+, Google Drive, OneDrive,
    Dropbox, and their cousins, or ‹ gasp ‹ just plug your
    device into your computer once in a while and save them
    to your hard drive.

    So this lawsuit strikes me as being a bit whiny‹kind of
    "Apple never said I¹d have to plug in my iPhone to charge
    it!" you know? ‹ but I¹m sure people have sued Apple over
    dumber things. Yeah, iOS 8 does take up a lot of storage.
    And it¹s true, 16GB feels stingy even for entry-level
    devices these days. But as Lesa Snider just wrote in her
    review of cross-platform photo-storage solution Mylio,
    "The reality is that you won¹t have fewer photos in five
    years, you¹ll only have more." Figuring out where to
    store them all is on you. Not Apple.

    Your Name, Jan 5, 2015
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  3. Whitney Ryan

    Your Name Guest

    Most customers don't know nor care what "16GB" means. They simply buy a
    device (usually based on some dimwit salesdroid's recommendation, which
    often means the most expensive one they can con you into so they get a
    bigger commission), use it, upgrade it to a new one later, etc.

    I haven't checked recently, but Apple used to give a rough idea (and
    the small print said it was only an indication) of how many photos,
    hours of video, etc. each memory capacity could hold ... that's all
    most people care about.
    Your Name, Jan 5, 2015
  4. Your Name wrote, on Sun, 04 Jan 2015 10:07:53 +1300:
    If that's the case, I vote for your property taxes
    to be 99% of the value of your house, and, just to
    be fair, I want mine to be 0.9% of the value of mine.
    Dennis O'Neill, Jan 5, 2015
  5. Whitney Ryan

    JF Mezei Guest

    The goal **may** be to test the applicability of advertising rules and
    be a very serious lawsuit, but the way to get that debate required
    something like this.

    If "A" sues Apple, but A got his iPhone 2 years ago, A has a difficult
    time arguing he was shortchanged on storage 2 years ago. However, the
    recent upgrade gives him grounds to make a lawsuit since it is something

    The end result of this may be Apple agreeing to publish the size of each
    OS version on each device so consumers know in advance how much the
    system sofware and built-in apps take up.

    or, if "A"'s goal is just to get money and not take the issue to the
    advertising principles, then the lawsuit could be thrown out of court as
    being frivolous.

    In other words, the apparent frivolous nature may just be a way to get
    foot in door to discuss intelligent issues, or it may be a frivolous one.
    JF Mezei, Jan 5, 2015
  6. Whitney Ryan

    Rod Speed Guest

    Nope, it’s a completely frivolous lawsuit by arsehole
    lawyers that’s designed to pump Apple's pockets to
    their advantage.
    Lawsuits don’t get debates.
    Trivially fixed by buying another and suing about that one.
    Makes a lot more sense to buy another and sue about that one.
    Not a chance. It didn’t happen last time and it
    aint gunna happen this time either, you watch.
    And it will be you watch.
    Even sillier than you usually manage. If that was the driver,
    they could have just found someone to buy a new iphone
    who has never had one before and claim they were duped.
    No may be about it.
    Rod Speed, Jan 5, 2015
  7. Whitney Ryan

    Your Name Guest

    Nope, the "goal" is simply for lazy, greedy, stupid morons to try to
    get money out of a bg name company, and for scumbag lawyers to make
    money from those lazy greedy, stupid morons. Nothing more.
    Your Name, Jan 6, 2015
  8. Whitney Ryan

    Your Name Guest

    Oh goody, another morons proves themselves to be a brainless idiot to
    add to the killfile. :-\
    Your Name, Jan 6, 2015
  9. If that is the goal, the attorneys involved are not very competent.
    And how does anyone other than the plaintiffs and their attorneys know
    what the goal is?
    Michelle Steiner, Jan 6, 2015
  10. Whitney Ryan

    Rod Speed Guest

    Its obvious from how they do what they do.

    If they really did want to get people to discuss
    what should be done about advertising, they
    would have got someone who has never
    previously had a smartphone to buy one
    and then run howling to the court about
    being mislead.
    Rod Speed, Jan 6, 2015
  11. Whitney Ryan

    Guest Guest

    i've done it too.
    Guest, Jan 6, 2015
  12. Me three.
    Michelle Steiner, Jan 6, 2015
  13. Whitney Ryan

    Rod Speed Guest

    Me too and I have some of my dad's that never got mounted too.
    Rod Speed, Jan 6, 2015
  14. Whitney Ryan

    JF Mezei Guest

    Fair enough.

    In Québec, one would make a formal complaint to the Office de Protection
    du Consommateur wh would investigate alleged misleading advertising and
    deal with the company with warning then stiff fine and then criminal
    proceedings of fines not paid.

    In the rest of Canada, one would complain to the Competition bureau for
    misleading advertising. It would not be done via a lawsuit.

    Not sure of there are similar structures in the USA to deal with
    muisleading advertising. (FTC ?). If there are, then this lawsuit is
    clearly frivolous. But if there aren't it may be a mechanism to trigger
    the analysis of whether the advertising is fair or not.
    JF Mezei, Jan 6, 2015
  15. No, they would dismiss the complaint as being unfounded.
    It may be, but it merely a ploy to try to extract money from Apple.
    Michelle Steiner, Jan 6, 2015
  16. Whitney Ryan

    Rod Speed Guest

    Its got nothing to do with advertising. Its arsehole lawyers
    attempting to pump Apple's very deep pockets.
    Rod Speed, Jan 6, 2015
  17. I recall frequent confusion when GBs became common as cheaper larger
    storage and memory arrived on the scene. People would think 512MBs was
    more than 1GB... *sigh*
    Yeah that info about how many 128Kbps AAC songs can fit is on the back
    of my older Shuffle's case, and I recall seeing similar info on other
    Apple devices.
    Jamie Kahn Genet, Jan 7, 2015
  18. Whitney Ryan

    Your Name Guest

    Yep, same with the old "MHz Myth" ... people thought a "200MHz"
    Intel-powered Windoze box was faster than a 166MHz PowerPC-powered Mac
    simply because the Mac's number was lower.

    Same with prices to a large degree. People see a $500 Windoze box and
    then say the $1000 Mac is over-priced ... what they don't see is that
    the cheapo Windoze box has an older and slower CPU chip (and again, the
    GHz of the Windoze box may be a higher number).
    Your Name, Jan 8, 2015
  19. Whitney Ryan

    Erilar Guest

    Another handsake. :cool:. We are obviously not terribly young.
    Erilar, Jan 8, 2015
  20. Whitney Ryan

    Erilar Guest

    Shaking hands with another rara avis :cool:
    Erilar, Jan 8, 2015
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