Apple locks themselves out of lucrative government market

Discussion in 'iPhone' started by Alan Browne, Feb 5, 2012.

  1. Alan Browne

    Alan Browne Guest

    http://www.cnn.com/2012/02/03/tech/mobile/government-android-phones/index.html?on.cnn=1

    In essence, because Apple won't let DoD examine and modify iOS source
    for devices to be used by the military and other agencies, DoD has
    back-burnered the iPhone and iPad for anything with security connotations.

    This may change:

    QUOTE

    However, the government chose to work on Android first because Google
    already allows people to tinker freely with its code, said those working
    on the project.

    Federal officials have met with Apple, but they were told they could not
    have access to the core of the company's mobile operating system, said
    Angelos Stavrou, an information-security director at George Mason
    University who is working on the government project as a contractor, in
    a phone interview.

    "Android was more cooperative in supporting some of the capabilities
    that we wanted to support in the operating system, whereas Apple was
    more averse," Stavrou told CNN. "They're shifting the strategy now."
    An Apple spokeswoman declined to comment on the meeting or any changes
    to its strategy.

    /QUOTE

    Also:
    http://security.blogs.cnn.com/2011/10/06/apple-in-the-military-officially-and-unofficially/
     
    Alan Browne, Feb 5, 2012
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  2. Alan Browne

    Davoud Guest

    Alan Browne:
    The government has no business using mobile computing devices in any
    case. They have a habit of filling them with sensitive information and
    then losing them or having them stolen. It seems that the only password
    that government personnel can think up is "password." And it will
    likely be written on a piece of tape attached to the device.

    The government needs to learn how to secure the data on computing
    devices and networks before they allow people to take them where they
    can be lost, stolen, or captured.
     
    Davoud, Feb 5, 2012
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  3. Alan Browne

    J.J. O'Shea Guest

    Not so. At least one Navy SEAL used 'frogman1' for a password. Gotta love the
    high sense of security these highly trained naval commandos have.
    Tape comes loose under water. The Navy would use a Sharpie.
    But they're just following in the footsteps of their predecessors. See
    further, just for example, U-505. <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U_505>
     
    J.J. O'Shea, Feb 5, 2012
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  4. Alan Browne

    bigdude Guest

    Apple is wise not to push for DOD contracts, would be controversial and
    would affect their overseas markets..
    Also totally uncool to have those big thugs using them, not Apple's
    image at all (uncomplicated, intelligent, elegant).
     
    bigdude, Feb 7, 2012
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  5. Alan Browne

    bigdude Guest

    This is not about individuals, its about MARKETING.
    A very big portion of Apple's profits are now generated overseas, it's
    products are considered cool everywhere..
     
    bigdude, Feb 12, 2012
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  6. Alan Browne

    Alan Browne Guest

    Cool? I just consider them (I have an iPhone and iMac) to be reliable
    and no fuss. They work. They are quality _functional_ products.
     
    Alan Browne, Feb 12, 2012
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  7. Alan Browne

    Davoud Guest

    Alan Browne:
    And going back to the subject of this thread, which is an entirely
    incorrect assertion, it isn't the cool factor that has the US Air Force
    buying 18,000 iPads. Perhaps the subject line should be "Apple Locks
    Lucrative Government Market [was..."
     
    Davoud, Feb 12, 2012
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  8. Alan Browne

    Alan Browne Guest

    It's a simple fact. As long as Apple don't let gov't IT types under the
    iOS tent flap then many government employees cannot use iOS where
    classified documents are concerned. Andoroid allows the IT types to
    make changes that satisfy their needs.
    That sale is mainly for cockpit crew use on transport aircraft - same as
    airlines adoption of iPads to reduce paper load in the cockpit. There
    is nothing classified in that. 18,000 iPads, to Apple, is a bit of
    desert compared to other government uses.

    Pilots who don't have to lug around a heavy doc case find that pretty
    cool, however.
     
    Alan Browne, Feb 12, 2012
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  9. Alan Browne

    salgud Guest

    I believe "coolness" is an ephemeral thing, and could easily be diluted by
    government or serious big corporate usage. If the US government and IBM are
    using it, it's NOT cool. A bit of specialty usage, like pilots using iPads
    to replace flight manuals, not so bad. Most fanbois don't even know. But
    major usage in big agencies would definitely have an effect. It would make
    iDevices mainstream, and mainstream is, by definition, not cool.

    And anyone who doesn't understand that "cool" is a big part of Apple's
    marketing strategies is more than a bit slow on the uptake.
     
    salgud, Feb 13, 2012
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  10. If the US government started using the iPad, the overwhelming majority of
    people would not know about it, so there wouldn't be much of an effect on
    its "coolness" factor.

    Oh, and iDevices are mainstream already by virtue of their sales volumes.
     
    Michelle Steiner, Feb 13, 2012
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  11. Alan Browne

    Davoud Guest

    salgud:
    What load of pretentious dingo's kidneys. The iPad is too cheap by
    several million dollars to be Cool or exclusive. Cool and exclusive are
    when, in the whole world, only you have one. I rode the Acela from BWI
    to NYP recently. There were about 20 iPads in use in the car, and no
    doubt others, like mine, stowed in carry-ons. How Cool and exclusive is
    that?

    How Cool is riding the Acela, for that matter? I usually take the milk
    train, but an inflexible schedule made the Acela my only practical
    choice. Coming home late at night on the milk train there were also a
    bunch of iPads in use. Wow! There are as many Cool people on the milk
    train as on the Acela!

    You really think that government and/or IBM using iPads would hurt
    sales to the public? Really? People above the age of 10 want iPads for
    what they can do, without regard to any "coolness" factor. It's a bit
    late in the popularity game to worry about exclusivity; a mass-market
    appliance just can't be Cool forever. iPad is a mainstream appliance in
    the cities (where it is likely to be useful to more people), especially
    on the coasts. OTOH, on a recent trip to an unnamed destination in
    Appalachia I pulled out my iPad in a small-town diner to check my
    e-mail. Two people asked what it was; neither had heard of the iPad. I
    was waaay NOT Cool! You can't be Cool if the people around you don't
    KNOW you're Cool! Next time I'll use my iPhone in my lap.

    What will happen to sales if farmers adopt the iPad in significant
    numbers? Be warned: I saw two Iowa farmers comparing data on their
    iPads in the Rising Sun Cafe in Polk City, Iowa, last summer. Were they
    Cool? Is that the death knell for the iPad? Will Cool people no longer
    buy them? Should I dump mine before people begin remarking how unCool I
    am for using something that government and farmers and pilots use? In
    this nation of Cool cretins, growing the food that feeds us all is
    about as unCool as you can get.
    I understand that there is a difference between "Cool" and "exclusive,"
    and that you're right about coolness being ephemeral. The iPad is Cool
    for the first day or two of ownership, after which it is a handy-dandy
    appliance. I think my iPad is pretty cool, but it's not Cool.
     
    Davoud, Feb 13, 2012
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  12. Alan Browne

    Howard Guest


    http://9to5mac.com/2012/02/08/united-states-air-force-plan-purchase-of-u
    p-to-18000-ipads-for-flight-bag-replacements/

    "United States Air Force plan purchase of up to 18,000 iPads for flight
    bag replacements"


    H
     
    Howard, Feb 13, 2012
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  13. Alan Browne

    Alan Browne Guest

    Alan Browne, Feb 13, 2012
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  14. Alan Browne

    salgud Guest

    You hang in different neighborhoods than I. Only you mulitmillionaires
    believe that something has to cost millions to be cool and exclusive. I
    guess a Bugatti Veyron is just another car where you come from, there's
    hundreds of those multimillion dollar vehicles in the world!
     
    salgud, Feb 13, 2012
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  15. Alan Browne

    Wes Groleau Guest

    You are seriously overestimating the number of people who will deprive
    themselves of anything in a futile effort to express dislike of
    something else.

    How many people say the government shouldn't borrow money, and yet
    continue to loan money to the government via savings bonds, excess tax
    withholding, stocks and mutuals that include government bonds, etc.

    How many people say they are opposed to same-sex unions but still buy
    things from companies that provide benefits to "domestic partners"?
    (for example, Microsoft and Apple)

    Very few people will tolerate a little discomfort to make a statement.

    --
    Wes Groleau

    You're all individuals!
    Yes, we're all individuals!
    You're all different!
    Yes, we are all different!
    I'm not!
    ("Life of Brian")
     
    Wes Groleau, Feb 14, 2012
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  16. Alan Browne

    Howard Guest

    It's being used by the DoD. Period. So much for the OP.

    H
     
    Howard, Feb 14, 2012
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  17. Alan Browne

    Alan Browne Guest

    The OP stands.

    You need first to understand the US DOD. It is more about trivial
    administration than defense. The DOD invented COBOL (Comon Business
    Oriented Language). Hardly a guns and missiles platform.

    But of course there are some DoD mandarins and the odd professional
    soldier and sailor who actually are in the business of national defense
    and state secrets. You kinda want to be careful with that stuff.

    The OP (and I posted it) was about the use of classified documents on
    iOS devices. Android is open source, so IT professionals in the
    disparate US DoD can implant secure handing. iOS is closed, and Apple -
    to date - have shown little demonstrated interest in supporting DoD in
    that light. So Android has a "leg up".

    The USAF however, are in the business of air transport where they must
    hew to international navigation and communication rules. Just like
    American Airlines, KLM and Aeroflot. For that, the iPad has proven a
    boon in reducing the "black bag" document case to a simple device
    containing all the same stuff. Pilots love it.

    In that, the original posting is still correct. The reference to USAF
    purchasing iPads (or like devices) for the cockpit crew obligations to
    international navigation standards holds as an unrelated sidebar.

    To color in the negative space there for you, Howard, USAF buying iPads
    for flight crews has done nothing to allow the aforementioned mandarins,
    soldiers and sailors of the DoD to communicate, receive and store
    classified material on iPads.

    Per the posted article, however, Apple and the DoD are "in talks".
     
    Alan Browne, Feb 14, 2012
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  18. Alan Browne

    salgud Guest

    Because the rest was idiotic ranting about some train somewhere and the
    belief that only small children care about "cool".
     
    salgud, Feb 14, 2012
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  19. Alan Browne

    Davoud Guest

    Davoud:
    Well, sure. It's me, and it's USENET. You want civil, well reasoned
    discourse? Turn off your stupid computer and visit your local
    philosophical society.

    Nonetheless, I did make my point that the iPad lost its Coolness and
    exclusivity long ago (in digital time) and is now a useful appliance.

    I wonder if everyone here realizes that the DOD owns refrigerators,
    stoves, toilets, and such like by the hundreds of thousands, yet unCool
    people like me continue to use these things at home.

    *****

    "Data is a toaster." --Federation scientist.
     
    Davoud, Feb 15, 2012
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  20. Alan Browne

    salgud Guest

    You need to get back on your meds...
     
    salgud, Feb 15, 2012
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