another quad (on the way)

Discussion in 'PC Hardware' started by Flasherly, Jan 27, 2015.

  1. Flasherly

    Flasherly Guest

    (Best I can figure on the scenario below is I'll take a hit on some
    bus-architecture speeds. Ideal, crossed-fingers scenario...).

    Thought I was stuck to a dualcore, but. . .things can happen.

    AMD Phenom X4 9550 2.2 GHz Quad-Core HD9550WCJ4BGH CPU Processor

    sent off for one (used, fair but a little more than Intel quad I'm
    running at same 2.2Ghz on another MB, both Gigabytes built pretty
    close together;- still too pricey for 65watt variants, or, for getting
    into 3Ghz core speeds. Reckon I do like getting CPUs, nice ones, for
    $20 or under.)

    As is, running a dualcore AMD Athlon 64 X2 4200+ (second update,
    this'll be -better be- to a third).

    6watts difference between the two (89/95watts on the Phenom). Can't
    especially see myself going thru what (at bottom of this post) another
    person experienced for a measly 6watts;- besides, that might be a
    125watt Phenom that he's dealing with.

    The MB...

    GA-M61PME-S2
    CPU Socket Type AM2
    Athlon 64 X2 / Athlon 64 FX / Athlon 64 / Sempron

    which is a little strange, as there was a GA-M61PME-S2 P specifically
    for a quad (along with, probably, a broader range of AMD offerings,
    too). Apparently two revisions to each of these two boards, in a
    redundant sort of manufacturing manner of keeping abreast with the AMD
    2 to 3 socket transition types.

    Mine, per se, isn't a socket 2+ or 3, however, Gigabyte does
    specifically state (as a stipend to my model): "(Note) If you install
    AMD AM2+ CPU on AM2 motherboard, the system bus speed will downgrade
    from HT3.0(5200MHz) to HT1.0(2000 MT/s) spec; however, the frequency
    of AM2+ CPU will not be impacted. Please refer "CPU Support List" for
    more information."

    and, on the quoted listing, there's an provision for the Phenom I got
    off Gigabyte's support page.

    Guess I'll doublecheck my BIOS revision and wait for it to come in,
    see what happens. (Also snoop around, see if I can't cut/grind down
    some HS material and fashion an augmented chipset cooler. *see notes.
    Last I poked around with an IR temp sensor I couldn't find the sucker,
    although it most definitely will climb up to 135F during summertime.)

    -
    couple notes noted from roundabout the time I bought it (Newegg cust
    reviews) ...

    For a dollar more, you can get the GA-M61PME-S2P.
    The only difference I notice, and the only reason I gave it four eggs,
    is that the CPU socket on that board is compatible both with AM2,
    which is for dual-core AMD processors, AND AM2+, which is for
    quad-core processors.

    Cons: The chipset runs hot, all the time. Everyone says this is ok,
    but I have started to see blocks of color during post that do not
    belong. The solid state caps burnt on the first board. Seemed to to ok
    with the Athlon, but have had nothing but trouble with the Phenom. It
    randomly will not boot. When Grub does start, you can get Linux to
    load, and nothing else.
     
    Flasherly, Jan 27, 2015
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    Paul Guest

    You should verify, when the system is running, that the bus
    clock isn't out of spec. Your high temperatures reported,
    might be caused by the bus transceivers running at 4000MT/sec.
    Which they weren't intended to do. As you note in your copy/paste
    above, that board is going to turn down the system bus clock, when
    a modern processor is installed. The 6100 would not have
    been designed for that. So the bus multiplier value
    must be kept lower than normal. The system bus clock must
    be set to the lower frequency defined by the limits of the
    chipset bus interface and the CPU bus interface. The processor
    might say "5200" but the chipset "2000", so the board must
    be run at 2000 or less. For testing purposes, people have run
    the bus multiplier as low as 1x. Just to prove the clock synthesizer
    can handle that.

    On the initial batch of 6100 chips, some seemed to be
    leaving the factory poorly tested. As the colored block
    problem was seen in those days, on brand new motherboards.
    That problem seemed to disappear later, as NVidia got
    their production process under control. I no longer
    saw complaints about the colored blocks after the
    initial batch of boards.

    Paul
     
    Paul, Jan 27, 2015
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    Flasherly Guest

    Basically, [ If you install AMD AM2+ CPU on AM2 motherboard, the
    system bus speed will downgrade from HT3.0(5200MHz) to HT1.0(2000
    MT/s) spec; however, the frequency of AM2+ CPU will not be impacted.
    ], it's saying an automatic routine pre-established, that chipset
    support is intended to fall-back presumably within AMD specs, both for
    chips capable of adapting to AMD S2-3 (this Phenom is a AMD socket
    AM2+);- screwy, that -- processors scattered all over the socket(s)
    skew.

    It's a Phenom -X4 9550- AMD. Not 6100 Intel. Updating my other
    Gigabittle board, Paul. But, I hear you -- if it isn't designed,
    doesn't automatically adapt to the bus speed, not without *manually*
    adapting, so as -- 'The system bus clock must be set to the lower
    frequency defined by the limits of the chipset bus interface and the
    CPU bus interface.'.. yeah, then I'm stuck swapping back processors in
    order to get the thing to boot, possibly in order to drop back the
    BIOS timings before attempting another CPU install.

    Nasty. Used to have that with a PCI-E videoboard if installed and the
    BIOS was set to boot from its vidchip (regardless, if/and how the BIOS
    was intended to handle a contingency for a seated PCI-E board);-
    Except wouldn't need any thermal paste, heh, to [repeatedly re]seat a
    vidboard.

    All excellent points. Just hope Gigabyte plays nice and I don't have
    to deal with them, per se, "timings." Of course, perhaps it's better
    now, more automated in BIOS menu timing selections (than MB used to
    be, older than this 6yr-old M61pme-s2).

    I wouldn't presume my reported temps -- via, hm, SpeedFan Ver4.5, for
    up to 135F during the summer (yeah, it's pretty hot here) -- are other
    than indicative of poorly implemented temperature/specification
    designs, on the part of Gigabyte. Got it hooked up into a couple amps,
    one being top-notch studio-grade soundamp, ART rack stuff, via PCI
    soundcard, btw;- that ART can tend run even hotter, especially when
    disconnecting an internal, dinky little DC fan;- the whole of its
    sides are massive 12" finned heat sinks for four output transistors,
    which I've seen get hotter than hell.
    Well, this Phenom -X4 9550's- extra cores will be MOST WELCOME for
    additionally another half-dozen virtual sound processing stages,
    potentials I'm presently locked out of, due to the AMD Athlon 64 X2
    4200+, that's presently socketed, and incapable of rising up with
    enough -UMPH!- to match a present generation of studio sound
    processing software.

    Proved the processor takes as Gigabyte promises. It'll be heaven.
    It'll be the best sound system around hereabouts, for miles around me,
    which I can theoretically guarantee in writing. (Thing's so damned
    sensitive already, I'm near to having to adjust for efficiency on
    every professionaly prerecorded track played. But it's sweet once
    there, heh.)
     
    Flasherly, Jan 27, 2015
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    Flasherly Guest

    MB m61pme-s2 (with a Athlon x2 4200 -core brisbane 2.2Ghz)
    F2 BIOS

    CPU-Z reports :

    mem 368Mhz
    BUS 200(x11)
    HT(Link) 1004Mhz

    Basically assembled, stuck in a couple CPUs, turned it on and it's
    been on now for 6 years now. Haven't had much else to do with the
    BIOS, other than couple simple tweaks to the HDs/setup, power
    management, &etc.

    It's been a great board for handling "supported CPUs." So far.

    I'll have the
    AMD Phenom X4 9550 2.2 GHz Quad-Core HD9550WCJ4BGH CPU Processor
    shipped in by this, maybe next week.
     
    Flasherly, Jan 27, 2015
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