6P - to case or not to case

Discussion in 'iPhone' started by Alan Browne, Dec 20, 2014.

  1. Alan Browne

    Alan Browne Guest

    Willful blindness.


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    Sadly, “there’s a high infant mortality rate among
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    Alan Browne, Dec 22, 2014
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  2. Alan Browne

    Alan Browne Guest

    I don't want to find out that it needed protecting.

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    << Among Broad Outlines, conception is far more pleasurable
    than “carrying [the children] to fruition.”
    Sadly, “there’s a high infant mortality rate among
    Broad Outlines—they often fall prey to Nonstarters.” >>
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    Alan Browne, Dec 22, 2014
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  3. Alan Browne

    Alan Browne Guest

    Apple's own advertising obfuscates it - even in profile shots where it
    should show. As one pundit puts it they should "own" it.
    This is a different lens system on a different device. Apple have had a
    few embarrassments in the past when making changes to phones.
    Then state your opinion without attacking the other person. Yeah, I
    know. Usenet.
    See above. And as stated elsewhere I don't want to find out it was
    needed. eg. Metal or plastic fatigue can take months or years to
    manifest itself. The actuators/sensors in the camera assembly may get
    stressed due to pressure or shock on the protruding part.

    I may be completely wrong - but I don't want my phone to be a sample.

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    << Among Broad Outlines, conception is far more pleasurable
    than “carrying [the children] to fruition.”
    Sadly, “there’s a high infant mortality rate among
    Broad Outlines—they often fall prey to Nonstarters.” >>
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    Alan Browne, Dec 22, 2014
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  4. Alan Browne

    Alan Browne Guest

    The future hasn't happened yet. The iPhone 4 home button is a well
    known issue. On my iPhone 4, after a little over 3 years it had become
    permanently intermittent (the calibration procedure is no longer effective).

    So any notion that the protruding lens will not become an issue in 1
    year or 3 years or 5 is confidence but not certainty.

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    << Among Broad Outlines, conception is far more pleasurable
    than “carrying [the children] to fruition.”
    Sadly, “there’s a high infant mortality rate among
    Broad Outlines—they often fall prey to Nonstarters.” >>
    "Bestiary of Intelligence Writing" - CIA
     
    Alan Browne, Dec 22, 2014
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  5. Alan Browne

    Alan Browne Guest

    When those reviews get good at predicting how the device will fare over
    several years of normal use I'll listen to them. The iPod case is good
    for the iPod and does not apply here since it's a different camera and
    lens with more moving parts all mounted in a different case.

    Nothing is free of risk, but many risks are worth avoiding and moreso
    can be avoided cheaply. When I'm forking out over $1K for a phone I
    think I can decide which risks are worth avoiding.

    On my iPhone 4 I used to have scratch protecting film. After a couple
    years I stopped using those and haven't seen any damage in the meantime.
    So I won't be using such a film on the iPhone 6 - especially as they
    have improved the surface hardness of the screen since the 4.

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    << Among Broad Outlines, conception is far more pleasurable
    than “carrying [the children] to fruition.”
    Sadly, “there’s a high infant mortality rate among
    Broad Outlines—they often fall prey to Nonstarters.” >>
    "Bestiary of Intelligence Writing" - CIA
     
    Alan Browne, Dec 22, 2014
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    BobbyK Guest

    Browne hasn't said there IS a problem. He would like to make sure
    that there won't be one in the future.
     
    BobbyK, Dec 22, 2014
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  7. Alan Browne

    Alan Browne Guest

    Nobody knows how it will fare over time. You don't. Apple don't

    Apple probably thought the home button on the iPhone 4 would be good.
    It's shit. But it takes a couple years to show up.
    My Time Machine is broken.
    Not at all. I have no idea what time will bring. If you have that sort
    of prescience you're wasting your time here.


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    << Among Broad Outlines, conception is far more pleasurable
    than “carrying [the children] to fruition.”
    Sadly, “there’s a high infant mortality rate among
    Broad Outlines—they often fall prey to Nonstarters.” >>
    "Bestiary of Intelligence Writing" - CIA
     
    Alan Browne, Dec 22, 2014
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    Guest Guest

    less than that. mine took about a year or so.
     
    Guest, Dec 22, 2014
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  9. Alan Browne

    Alan Browne Guest

    No. See elsewhere about risk abatement.

    As to your repeating the iPod lens case the iPhone 6P camera:

    - is a different camera
    - is a different lens
    - is in a different case
    - has more moving parts

    Since I am no more prescient about the future than you are, I've elected
    to protect the lens by relieving it.

    The lens issue aside I probably would have gotten a case anyway because
    I find these phone far too slippery.

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    << Among Broad Outlines, conception is far more pleasurable
    than “carrying [the children] to fruition.”
    Sadly, “there’s a high infant mortality rate among
    Broad Outlines—they often fall prey to Nonstarters.” >>
    "Bestiary of Intelligence Writing" - CIA
     
    Alan Browne, Dec 22, 2014
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  10. Alan Browne

    Alan Browne Guest

    iPhone 4 antenna issue. Hmm - they had good antennas before that.

    iPhone 4 home button issue. Hmm - they had good buttons before that.

    iPhone 6 case bending. Out of all their iPhones, the 6 and 6 P are the
    most easily bent (require less torque to cause a permanent deformation).

    So using the past as a guide is not swaying me. I (and pretty much
    anyone else) would have been quite happy if the phone were slightly
    thicker to eliminate the protrusion. Would also improve the bend
    resistance.

    OTOH, I won't get a screen protector as my iPhone 4 has gotten along
    fine without one (had such for about the first 18 months). And it's
    easier to believe that the new, harder glass is most likely to go the
    distance.

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    << Among Broad Outlines, conception is far more pleasurable
    than “carrying [the children] to fruition.”
    Sadly, “there’s a high infant mortality rate among
    Broad Outlines—they often fall prey to Nonstarters.” >>
    "Bestiary of Intelligence Writing" - CIA
     
    Alan Browne, Dec 22, 2014
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    Alan Browne Guest

    Since it's a completely new camera the prior design is meaningless.

    And again...
    - home button on iPhone 4 (3,2,1 had no issues)
    - each new, thinner case is more bendable than the prior version
    - antennagate

    Various software releases that go TU (iOS 8.0.1). Funny, they got it
    right before. Uh, well, maybe. After all 8.0.1 was to fix a buggy
    8.0.0 ...

    etc.
    It is, isn't it.


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    << Among Broad Outlines, conception is far more pleasurable
    than “carrying [the children] to fruition.”
    Sadly, “there’s a high infant mortality rate among
    Broad Outlines—they often fall prey to Nonstarters.” >>
    "Bestiary of Intelligence Writing" - CIA
     
    Alan Browne, Dec 22, 2014
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  12. Alan Browne

    Alan Browne Guest

    Let's see.

    - More lens elements (that's major).
    - optical image correction (that's major).
    - Mounted in a thinner case.

    So the prior design has no bearing at all.
    Yes - again the future is hard to behold.
    Not a joke. While I agree that one should never put the phone in a back
    pocket, it was also bending in front pockets...

    Somewhere out there is a table showing that with each successive iPhone,
    the bending torque required to deform the phone is lesser and lesser.

    The issue was corrected in later iPhone 4's - I have one and it was
    never an issue. But it certainly was in the early flight ones. And it
    only "happened" to people who held the phone in a particular manner.
    I never suggested that. I'm suggesting that there is no proof this lens
    design will stand the test of time.
    Nothing at all. I'm waiting to hear from Davoud and David E if their
    cases (the Apple leather one) have come apart early as some posters
    suggest on the Apple product reviews. I don't really care if the case
    stains from water or blisters - but seams coming apart or leather
    pealing is something else.

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    << Among Broad Outlines, conception is far more pleasurable
    than “carrying [the children] to fruition.”
    Sadly, “there’s a high infant mortality rate among
    Broad Outlines—they often fall prey to Nonstarters.” >>
    "Bestiary of Intelligence Writing" - CIA
     
    Alan Browne, Dec 22, 2014
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    john james Guest

    We don’t see reports from people who have damaged the lens.
     
    john james, Dec 22, 2014
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  14. Alan Browne

    Alan Browne Guest

    Short term.

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    << Among Broad Outlines, conception is far more pleasurable
    than “carrying [the children] to fruition.”
    Sadly, “there’s a high infant mortality rate among
    Broad Outlines—they often fall prey to Nonstarters.” >>
    "Bestiary of Intelligence Writing" - CIA
     
    Alan Browne, Dec 22, 2014
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    Alan Browne Guest

    Over 30 years in aerospace and defense engineering environments might
    have a little to do with it.

    Back at the time I posted links to the article about front pants.

    If the phone were 1 mm thicker nobody would really care.
    It was corrected by Apple with a software change. Forgive my memory of
    the matter.
    Again when I wrote that I was relying on memory. The fix was done in
    software, not hardware.
    Oy - repeat. This is not the same camera or case.

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    << Among Broad Outlines, conception is far more pleasurable
    than “carrying [the children] to fruition.”
    Sadly, “there’s a high infant mortality rate among
    Broad Outlines—they often fall prey to Nonstarters.” >>
    "Bestiary of Intelligence Writing" - CIA
     
    Alan Browne, Dec 22, 2014
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    Alan Browne Guest

    Not with this lens and case design though.

    'nuff said? You want to declare victory and shuffle off?


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    than “carrying [the children] to fruition.â€
    Sadly, “there’s a high infant mortality rate among
    Broad Outlines—they often fall prey to Nonstarters.†>>
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    Alan Browne, Dec 22, 2014
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    David Empson Guest

    I've had it for about a month. I haven't let it get rained on (it has
    been in my trouser pocket whlie walking in the rain, but not directly
    exposed), and I haven't noticed any wear yet, apart from a scuff mark on
    one corner (not sure when I did that).
     
    David Empson, Dec 22, 2014
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  18. Alan Browne

    Alan Browne Guest

    You don't get it. Change carries risk. The more the change, the more
    the risk. You earn points for what went right and that you keep on
    doing and you lose points for whatever is changed in the design. It
    doesn't matter what the product is.

    - additional lens elements (more mount points)
    - stabilization (more complex).

    You can't take any of that away. Only a moron would believe a more
    complex device has less risk than a simpler device.
    Really? Would you care if it were 1 mm thicker? I doubt it. And
    nobody else would either.

    But it can fix a system problem that includes under performing hardware.
    Software is often used to compensate for over or under sensitive
    receivers (for example). It's not without compromise but if it renders
    the system more usable or performing then that's often all it takes.
    You don't know what's going on other than the display bar.
    See above.

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    << Among Broad Outlines, conception is far more pleasurable
    than “carrying [the children] to fruition.”
    Sadly, “there’s a high infant mortality rate among
    Broad Outlines—they often fall prey to Nonstarters.” >>
    "Bestiary of Intelligence Writing" - CIA
     
    Alan Browne, Dec 22, 2014
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  19. Alan Browne

    Alan Browne Guest

    Thanks. I can stand scuffs. Seams coming apart is something else.


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    << Among Broad Outlines, conception is far more pleasurable
    than “carrying [the children] to fruition.”
    Sadly, “there’s a high infant mortality rate among
    Broad Outlines—they often fall prey to Nonstarters.” >>
    "Bestiary of Intelligence Writing" - CIA
     
    Alan Browne, Dec 22, 2014
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    john james Guest

    We'd have seen reports of damaged lenses by now if it was vulnerable.
     
    john james, Dec 23, 2014
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