XP, old service packs

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  1. poachedeggs

    poachedeggs Guest

    I'm just tarting up someone's old XP machine that had been full of
    viruses and whatnot. The copy of XP they've given me is a 2002 edition
    seemingly prior ot any Service Packs. I see that Microsoft doesn't
    themselves even attend to Service Pack 2 either, so can I still bring
    this computer up to date? Are there reliable third party sites with
    the older Service Packs uncorrupted by viruses? If not am I stuffed a
    bit, would I need a newer XP disc, or is there another method of
    getting the computer up to date? This is a licensed full version of XP
    I've been given. Somewhere I've got a copy of XP Professional with
    Service Pack 3 but I'm guessing that this person's license would not
    activate with a different version of XP? I have reinstalled XP and a
    couple of programs including Avast and the difference is drastic, with
    the machine going from using all its 512mb RAM down to about 120mb so
    I'd like to have unblemished good news for this friend.

    Thanks.
     
    poachedeggs, Sep 15, 2011
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  2. On Thu, 15 Sep 2011 09:34:25 -0700 (PDT), poachedeggs
    <> wrote:

    >I'm just tarting up someone's old XP machine that had been full of
    >viruses and whatnot.


    Blitz and reinstall, I hope? Formatting the drive is the only way to
    be sure.

    >The copy of XP they've given me is a 2002 edition
    >seemingly prior ot any Service Packs. I see that Microsoft doesn't
    >themselves even attend to Service Pack 2 either, so can I still bring
    >this computer up to date? Are there reliable third party sites with
    >the older Service Packs uncorrupted by viruses? If not am I stuffed a
    >bit, would I need a newer XP disc, or is there another method of
    >getting the computer up to date? This is a licensed full version of XP
    >I've been given. Somewhere I've got a copy of XP Professional with
    >Service Pack 3 but I'm guessing that this person's license would not
    >activate with a different version of XP? I have reinstalled XP and a
    >couple of programs including Avast and the difference is drastic, with
    >the machine going from using all its 512mb RAM down to about 120mb so
    >I'd like to have unblemished good news for this friend.
    >
    >Thanks.


    SP3 goes on top of any XP, just download and apply that.
    http://support.microsoft.com/kb/950717

    Cheers - Jaimie
    --
    "It was half way to Rivendell when the drugs began to take hold"
    Hunter S Tolkien - "Fear and Loathing in Barad Dur"
     
    Jaimie Vandenbergh, Sep 15, 2011
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  3. On Thu, 15 Sep 2011 19:22:15 +0100, "Tired" <> wrote:

    >Jaimie Vandenbergh wrote:
    >> On Thu, 15 Sep 2011 09:34:25 -0700 (PDT), poachedeggs
    >> <> wrote:
    >>
    >>> I'm just tarting up someone's old XP machine that had been full of
    >>> viruses and whatnot.

    >>
    >> Blitz and reinstall, I hope? Formatting the drive is the only way to
    >> be sure.
    >>
    >>> The copy of XP they've given me is a 2002 edition
    >>> seemingly prior ot any Service Packs. I see that Microsoft doesn't
    >>> themselves even attend to Service Pack 2 either, so can I still bring
    >>> this computer up to date? Are there reliable third party sites with
    >>> the older Service Packs uncorrupted by viruses? If not am I stuffed a
    >>> bit, would I need a newer XP disc, or is there another method of
    >>> getting the computer up to date? This is a licensed full version of
    >>> XP I've been given. Somewhere I've got a copy of XP Professional with
    >>> Service Pack 3 but I'm guessing that this person's license would not
    >>> activate with a different version of XP? I have reinstalled XP and a
    >>> couple of programs including Avast and the difference is drastic,
    >>> with the machine going from using all its 512mb RAM down to about
    >>> 120mb so I'd like to have unblemished good news for this friend.
    >>>
    >>> Thanks.

    >>
    >> SP3 goes on top of any XP, just download and apply that.
    >> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/950717
    >>
    >> Cheers - Jaimie

    >
    >Any XP that already has SP1.


    Not according to
    http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?id=24
    which says "System requirements
    Supported Operating Systems: Windows XP Home Edition , Windows XP
    Professional Edition, Windows XP Service Pack 1, Windows XP Service
    Pack 2"

    It's so long since I've installed an XP lower than SP2 that I'm happy
    to concede to experience, rather than MS KBs!

    But that's the offline download, which may have different reqs to the
    WindowsUpdate process version. Even a fresh XP SP3 won't talk to
    windowsupdate.microsoft.com, you need to allow automatic updates to
    (silently!) install some stuff before it'll work.

    Cheers - Jaimie
    --
    "The problem is not that the world is full of fools, it's that lightning
    isn't being distributed correctly." - Mark Twain
     
    Jaimie Vandenbergh, Sep 15, 2011
    #3
  4. poachedeggs

    Tired Guest

    Jaimie Vandenbergh wrote:
    > On Thu, 15 Sep 2011 19:22:15 +0100, "Tired" <> wrote:
    >
    >> Jaimie Vandenbergh wrote:
    >>> On Thu, 15 Sep 2011 09:34:25 -0700 (PDT), poachedeggs
    >>> <> wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> I'm just tarting up someone's old XP machine that had been full of
    >>>> viruses and whatnot.
    >>>
    >>> Blitz and reinstall, I hope? Formatting the drive is the only way to
    >>> be sure.
    >>>
    >>>> The copy of XP they've given me is a 2002 edition
    >>>> seemingly prior ot any Service Packs. I see that Microsoft doesn't
    >>>> themselves even attend to Service Pack 2 either, so can I still
    >>>> bring this computer up to date? Are there reliable third party
    >>>> sites with the older Service Packs uncorrupted by viruses? If not
    >>>> am I stuffed a bit, would I need a newer XP disc, or is there
    >>>> another method of getting the computer up to date? This is a
    >>>> licensed full version of XP I've been given. Somewhere I've got a
    >>>> copy of XP Professional with Service Pack 3 but I'm guessing that
    >>>> this person's license would not activate with a different version
    >>>> of XP? I have reinstalled XP and a couple of programs including
    >>>> Avast and the difference is drastic, with the machine going from
    >>>> using all its 512mb RAM down to about 120mb so I'd like to have
    >>>> unblemished good news for this friend.
    >>>>
    >>>> Thanks.
    >>>
    >>> SP3 goes on top of any XP, just download and apply that.
    >>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/950717
    >>>
    >>> Cheers - Jaimie

    >>
    >> Any XP that already has SP1.

    >
    > Not according to
    > http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?id=24
    > which says "System requirements
    > Supported Operating Systems: Windows XP Home Edition , Windows XP
    > Professional Edition, Windows XP Service Pack 1, Windows XP Service
    > Pack 2"
    >
    > It's so long since I've installed an XP lower than SP2 that I'm happy
    > to concede to experience, rather than MS KBs!
    >
    > But that's the offline download, which may have different reqs to the
    > WindowsUpdate process version. Even a fresh XP SP3 won't talk to
    > windowsupdate.microsoft.com, you need to allow automatic updates to
    > (silently!) install some stuff before it'll work.
    >
    > Cheers - Jaimie


    I only use the stand alone service packs, I am sure that sp3 requires the
    presence of sp1 or sp2..
     
    Tired, Sep 15, 2011
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  5. poachedeggs

    Rob Morley Guest

    On Thu, 15 Sep 2011 20:43:30 +0100
    "Tired" <> wrote:

    > I only use the stand alone service packs, I am sure that sp3 requires
    > the presence of sp1 or sp2..
    >

    Apparently you can slipstream SP3 into the original release, but you
    need at least SP1 and preferably SP2 to update an existing installation.
     
    Rob Morley, Sep 15, 2011
    #5
  6. poachedeggs

    Mark Guest

    On Thu, 15 Sep 2011 09:34:25 -0700 (PDT), poachedeggs
    <> wrote:

    >I'm just tarting up someone's old XP machine that had been full of
    >viruses and whatnot. The copy of XP they've given me is a 2002 edition
    >seemingly prior ot any Service Packs. I see that Microsoft doesn't
    >themselves even attend to Service Pack 2 either, so can I still bring
    >this computer up to date? Are there reliable third party sites with
    >the older Service Packs uncorrupted by viruses? If not am I stuffed a
    >bit, would I need a newer XP disc, or is there another method of
    >getting the computer up to date? This is a licensed full version of XP
    >I've been given. Somewhere I've got a copy of XP Professional with
    >Service Pack 3 but I'm guessing that this person's license would not
    >activate with a different version of XP? I have reinstalled XP and a
    >couple of programs including Avast and the difference is drastic, with
    >the machine going from using all its 512mb RAM down to about 120mb so
    >I'd like to have unblemished good news for this friend.


    If you only have 512M you may find installing service packs severely
    impacts on performance. IIRC XP from SP2 uses /much/ more memory.
    --
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    everyone you will need use a different method of posting.
     
    Mark, Sep 16, 2011
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  7. On Thu, 15 Sep 2011 20:43:30 +0100, "Tired" <> wrote:

    >I only use the stand alone service packs, I am sure that sp3 requires the
    >presence of sp1 or sp2..


    It does, from my experience. I'm still happily using XP Pro.
     
    Grimly Curmudgeon, Sep 16, 2011
    #7
  8. On Fri, 16 Sep 2011 11:29:40 +0100, Mark
    <> wrote:

    >On Thu, 15 Sep 2011 09:34:25 -0700 (PDT), poachedeggs
    ><> wrote:
    >
    >>I'm just tarting up someone's old XP machine that had been full of
    >>viruses and whatnot. The copy of XP they've given me is a 2002 edition
    >>seemingly prior ot any Service Packs. I see that Microsoft doesn't
    >>themselves even attend to Service Pack 2 either, so can I still bring
    >>this computer up to date? Are there reliable third party sites with
    >>the older Service Packs uncorrupted by viruses? If not am I stuffed a
    >>bit, would I need a newer XP disc, or is there another method of
    >>getting the computer up to date? This is a licensed full version of XP
    >>I've been given. Somewhere I've got a copy of XP Professional with
    >>Service Pack 3 but I'm guessing that this person's license would not
    >>activate with a different version of XP? I have reinstalled XP and a
    >>couple of programs including Avast and the difference is drastic, with
    >>the machine going from using all its 512mb RAM down to about 120mb so
    >>I'd like to have unblemished good news for this friend.

    >
    >If you only have 512M you may find installing service packs severely
    >impacts on performance. IIRC XP from SP2 uses /much/ more memory.


    This may depend on what you're doing with it - I run XPsp3 in a 512meg
    VM, and it usually floats at under 350meg used. I don't use it for web
    browsing, which may have a major effect!

    Cheers - Jaimie
    --
    Good judgement comes from experience.
    Experience comes from bad judgement.
     
    Jaimie Vandenbergh, Sep 16, 2011
    #8
  9. poachedeggs

    poachedeggs Guest

    On Sep 16, 1:00 pm, Jaimie Vandenbergh <>
    wrote:
    > On Fri, 16 Sep 2011 11:29:40 +0100, Mark
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > <> wrote:
    > >On Thu, 15 Sep 2011 09:34:25 -0700 (PDT), poachedeggs
    > ><> wrote:

    >
    > >>I'm just tarting up someone's old XP machine that had been full of
    > >>viruses and whatnot. The copy of XP they've given me is a 2002 edition
    > >>seemingly prior ot any Service Packs. I see that Microsoft doesn't
    > >>themselves even attend to Service Pack 2 either, so can I still bring
    > >>this computer up to date? Are there reliable third party sites with
    > >>the older Service Packs uncorrupted by viruses? If not am I stuffed a
    > >>bit, would I need a newer XP disc, or is there another method of
    > >>getting the computer up to date? This is a licensed full version of XP
    > >>I've been given. Somewhere I've got a copy of XP Professional with
    > >>Service Pack 3 but I'm guessing that this person's license would not
    > >>activate with a different version of XP? I have reinstalled XP and a
    > >>couple of programs including Avast and the difference is drastic, with
    > >>the machine going from using all its 512mb RAM down to about 120mb so
    > >>I'd like to have unblemished good news for this friend.

    >
    > >If you only have 512M you may find installing service packs severely
    > >impacts on performance. IIRC XP from SP2 uses /much/ more memory.

    >
    > This may depend on what you're doing with it - I run XPsp3 in a 512meg
    > VM, and it usually floats at under 350meg used. I don't use it for web
    > browsing, which may have a major effect!
    >
    >         Cheers - Jaimie
    > --
    > Good judgement comes from experience.
    > Experience comes from bad judgement.


    All went well anyway. It turns out that you can install SP2 without
    having SP1* but not SP3 without SP2. An eBay seller had these DVDs of
    Vista updates that I'd bought some time ago and lo and behold SP2 and
    SP3 for XP were on there, handy. I've finished the job now after
    wrestling with a couple of stubborn yellow question marks, and
    generally the machine is using about 130mb, 200mb when it's busier. I
    could be imagining things but it may feel slightly slower since the
    service packs for some things, but not annoyingly so and still not
    worse than my netbook prior to when I put a Linux distro on it, and
    the owner had been doggedly using it for months while it was crippled
    by viruses.

    And yes I did format the drive, using GParted as I seem to remember
    from when I had XP that you can still end up with a double entry for
    XP if you let XP format the drive, as if it hadn't quite nuked the old
    install away.

    Thanks all.

    *This is partly an assumption but I didn't see any mention of SP1
    being present on the installation disc or in Control Panel > System
     
    poachedeggs, Sep 16, 2011
    #9
  10. On Fri, 16 Sep 2011 06:45:12 -0700 (PDT), poachedeggs
    <> wrote:

    >All went well anyway. It turns out that you can install SP2 without
    >having SP1* but not SP3 without SP2.


    Excellent - I shall remember my pinch of salt whenever reading MS KB
    pages on compatibility! Thanks for the update, I'll get it right next
    time.

    Cheers - Jaimie
    --
    "It's only work when somebody makes you do it." - Calvin
     
    Jaimie Vandenbergh, Sep 16, 2011
    #10
  11. In message <>, Jaimie
    Vandenbergh <> writes

    >SP3 goes on top of any XP, just download and apply that.


    Just did one last night - but warning there is about 200 more updates
    online to get it up to date :-(

    ..NET Framework (& it's service packs) seem to be a particularly heavy
    download and frequently can only be downloaded and installed
    individually.
    --
    David
     
    David Livingstone, Sep 16, 2011
    #11
  12. On Fri, 16 Sep 2011 18:07:59 +0100, David Livingstone
    <> wrote:

    >In message <>, Jaimie
    >Vandenbergh <> writes
    >
    >>SP3 goes on top of any XP, just download and apply that.

    >
    >Just did one last night - but warning there is about 200 more updates
    >online to get it up to date :-(
    >
    >.NET Framework (& it's service packs) seem to be a particularly heavy
    >download and frequently can only be downloaded and installed
    >individually.


    I did one a few weeks ago, starting from XPsp3 it was five bloody
    hours - only one of which was downloading, the rest was installing,
    rebooting, and poking it to do another round if WindowsUpdate.
    Rubbish.

    Not to mention the current thing where you take an XPsp3 to
    windowsupdate.microsoft.com and it says "you need sp3". Bloody useless
    bloody idiots...

    Cheers - Jaimie
    --
    "I do not like the feel of the middle way; and I do not like the smell of
    the left hand way" -- J R R Tolkien
     
    Jaimie Vandenbergh, Sep 16, 2011
    #12
  13. poachedeggs

    Mark Guest

    On Fri, 16 Sep 2011 13:00:03 +0100, Jaimie Vandenbergh
    <> wrote:

    >On Fri, 16 Sep 2011 11:29:40 +0100, Mark
    ><> wrote:
    >
    >>On Thu, 15 Sep 2011 09:34:25 -0700 (PDT), poachedeggs
    >><> wrote:
    >>
    >>>I'm just tarting up someone's old XP machine that had been full of
    >>>viruses and whatnot. The copy of XP they've given me is a 2002 edition
    >>>seemingly prior ot any Service Packs. I see that Microsoft doesn't
    >>>themselves even attend to Service Pack 2 either, so can I still bring
    >>>this computer up to date? Are there reliable third party sites with
    >>>the older Service Packs uncorrupted by viruses? If not am I stuffed a
    >>>bit, would I need a newer XP disc, or is there another method of
    >>>getting the computer up to date? This is a licensed full version of XP
    >>>I've been given. Somewhere I've got a copy of XP Professional with
    >>>Service Pack 3 but I'm guessing that this person's license would not
    >>>activate with a different version of XP? I have reinstalled XP and a
    >>>couple of programs including Avast and the difference is drastic, with
    >>>the machine going from using all its 512mb RAM down to about 120mb so
    >>>I'd like to have unblemished good news for this friend.

    >>
    >>If you only have 512M you may find installing service packs severely
    >>impacts on performance. IIRC XP from SP2 uses /much/ more memory.

    >
    >This may depend on what you're doing with it - I run XPsp3 in a 512meg
    >VM, and it usually floats at under 350meg used. I don't use it for web
    >browsing, which may have a major effect!


    However the core OS components use more memory from SP2 onwards, even
    if you're not running else.
    --
    (\__/) M.
    (='.'=) Due to the amount of spam posted via googlegroups and
    (")_(") their inaction to the problem. I am blocking some articles
    posted from there. If you wish your postings to be seen by
    everyone you will need use a different method of posting.
     
    Mark, Sep 19, 2011
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  14. poachedeggs

    Tired Guest

    Mark wrote:
    > On Fri, 16 Sep 2011 13:00:03 +0100, Jaimie Vandenbergh
    > <> wrote:
    >
    >> On Fri, 16 Sep 2011 11:29:40 +0100, Mark
    >> <> wrote:
    >>
    >>> On Thu, 15 Sep 2011 09:34:25 -0700 (PDT), poachedeggs
    >>> <> wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> I'm just tarting up someone's old XP machine that had been full of
    >>>> viruses and whatnot. The copy of XP they've given me is a 2002
    >>>> edition seemingly prior ot any Service Packs. I see that Microsoft
    >>>> doesn't themselves even attend to Service Pack 2 either, so can I
    >>>> still bring this computer up to date? Are there reliable third
    >>>> party sites with the older Service Packs uncorrupted by viruses?
    >>>> If not am I stuffed a bit, would I need a newer XP disc, or is
    >>>> there another method of getting the computer up to date? This is a
    >>>> licensed full version of XP I've been given. Somewhere I've got a
    >>>> copy of XP Professional with Service Pack 3 but I'm guessing that
    >>>> this person's license would not activate with a different version
    >>>> of XP? I have reinstalled XP and a couple of programs including
    >>>> Avast and the difference is drastic, with the machine going from
    >>>> using all its 512mb RAM down to about 120mb so I'd like to have
    >>>> unblemished good news for this friend.
    >>>
    >>> If you only have 512M you may find installing service packs severely
    >>> impacts on performance. IIRC XP from SP2 uses /much/ more memory.

    >>
    >> This may depend on what you're doing with it - I run XPsp3 in a
    >> 512meg VM, and it usually floats at under 350meg used. I don't use
    >> it for web browsing, which may have a major effect!

    >
    > However the core OS components use more memory from SP2 onwards, even
    > if you're not running else.


    I came across a machine a few days ago, running XP on 96mb.... It was a
    touch slow.
     
    Tired, Sep 20, 2011
    #14
  15. poachedeggs

    Johny B Good Guest

    On Tue, 20 Sep 2011 10:24:26 +0100, Tired <> wrote:

    > Mark wrote:
    >> On Fri, 16 Sep 2011 13:00:03 +0100, Jaimie Vandenbergh
    >> <> wrote:
    >>
    >>> On Fri, 16 Sep 2011 11:29:40 +0100, Mark
    >>> <> wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> On Thu, 15 Sep 2011 09:34:25 -0700 (PDT), poachedeggs
    >>>> <> wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>> I'm just tarting up someone's old XP machine that had been full of
    >>>>> viruses and whatnot. The copy of XP they've given me is a 2002
    >>>>> edition seemingly prior ot any Service Packs. I see that Microsoft
    >>>>> doesn't themselves even attend to Service Pack 2 either, so can I
    >>>>> still bring this computer up to date? Are there reliable third
    >>>>> party sites with the older Service Packs uncorrupted by viruses?
    >>>>> If not am I stuffed a bit, would I need a newer XP disc, or is
    >>>>> there another method of getting the computer up to date? This is a
    >>>>> licensed full version of XP I've been given. Somewhere I've got a
    >>>>> copy of XP Professional with Service Pack 3 but I'm guessing that
    >>>>> this person's license would not activate with a different version
    >>>>> of XP? I have reinstalled XP and a couple of programs including
    >>>>> Avast and the difference is drastic, with the machine going from
    >>>>> using all its 512mb RAM down to about 120mb so I'd like to have
    >>>>> unblemished good news for this friend.
    >>>>
    >>>> If you only have 512M you may find installing service packs severely
    >>>> impacts on performance. IIRC XP from SP2 uses /much/ more memory.
    >>>
    >>> This may depend on what you're doing with it - I run XPsp3 in a
    >>> 512meg VM, and it usually floats at under 350meg used. I don't use
    >>> it for web browsing, which may have a major effect!

    >>
    >> However the core OS components use more memory from SP2 onwards, even
    >> if you're not running else.

    >
    > I came across a machine a few days ago, running XP on 96mb.... It was a
    > touch slow.


    Let me guess, a surviving example of an E-machines model 420 desktop
    tower? The one with a brag sticker claiming (in the same sentence[1])
    windows XP _and_ 128MB ram, which struck me as being a coded message to
    those with a clue (aka, troublesome customers) to steer clear of this PoS.
    The 96MB being what was left over after the built in graphics had grabbed
    its 32MB chunk due to the bios default setting.

    [1] I only ever got to see these machines in a working state (FVSVO
    'working') after they'd been upgraded to SP2 so the usual description of
    "wading through treacle" when comparing winXP against win2k on the same
    hardware would have been an exaggeration of performance in this case.

    I suppose the original release version of winXP used on these boxes would
    have allowed a mere 96MB to provide barely adequate performance for
    patient users with very modest expectations. Just simply reducing the on
    board graphics shared memory down to its 8MB minimum was enough to make a
    (by comparison) dramatic improvement in performance.

    --
    Regards JB Good
     
    Johny B Good, Sep 20, 2011
    #15
  16. poachedeggs

    GS Guest

    "Tired" <> wrote:

    > Mark wrote:
    >> On Fri, 16 Sep 2011 13:00:03 +0100, Jaimie Vandenbergh
    >> <> wrote:
    >>
    >>> On Fri, 16 Sep 2011 11:29:40 +0100, Mark
    >>> <> wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> On Thu, 15 Sep 2011 09:34:25 -0700 (PDT), poachedeggs
    >>>> <> wrote:
    >>>> If you only have 512M you may find installing service packs severely
    >>>> impacts on performance. IIRC XP from SP2 uses /much/ more memory.
    >>>
    >>> This may depend on what you're doing with it - I run XPsp3 in a
    >>> 512meg VM, and it usually floats at under 350meg used. I don't use it
    >>> for web browsing, which may have a major effect!

    >>
    >> However the core OS components use more memory from SP2 onwards, even
    >> if you're not running else.

    >
    > I came across a machine a few days ago, running XP on 96mb.... It was a
    > touch slow.


    There are some custom mimimal builds of XP which claim to only use 64MB RAM
    (though you'd obviously need more than that to run any programs).
     
    GS, Sep 23, 2011
    #16
  17. In article <op.v13815ilkd9x7s@fred>, Johny B Good <>
    writes

    >Just simply reducing the on
    >board graphics shared memory down to its 8MB minimum was enough to make a
    >(by comparison) dramatic improvement in performance.


    You mean it went from "stunned slug on Rohypnol" to merely "stunned
    slug"?

    :eek:)

    --
    (\__/)
    (='.'=)
    (")_(")
     
    Mike Tomlinson, Sep 30, 2011
    #17
  18. poachedeggs

    Johny B Good Guest

    On Fri, 30 Sep 2011 13:41:48 +0100, Mike Tomlinson <>
    wrote:

    > In article <op.v13815ilkd9x7s@fred>, Johny B Good <>
    > writes
    >
    >> Just simply reducing the on
    >> board graphics shared memory down to its 8MB minimum was enough to make
    >> a
    >> (by comparison) dramatic improvement in performance.

    >
    > You mean it went from "stunned slug on Rohypnol" to merely "stunned
    > slug"?
    >
    > :eek:)


    Yes, that single sentence very nicely sums up my two paragraphs worth. ;-)

    --
    Regards JB Good
     
    Johny B Good, Oct 4, 2011
    #18
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