Windows on iPad via cloud

Discussion in 'iPad' started by Alan Browne, Feb 24, 2012.

  1. Alan Browne

    Alan Browne Guest

    Alan Browne, Feb 24, 2012
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  2. Juan I. Cahis, Feb 24, 2012
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  3. Alan Browne

    Alan Browne Guest

    On 2012-02-24 16:36 , Juan I. Cahis wrote:

    > Alan Browne<> wrote:
    >> The cloud - really.
    >>
    >> http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/23/t...ng-speed-state-of-the-art.html?ref=technology
    >>
    >> or http://tinyurl.com/7zretvu
    >>

    >
    > Only available for the USA, and maybe, to other "happy" Countries.
    >
    > "Discrimination" is always a dirty word, Apple shouldn't have allowed that,
    > specially in the Internet age.


    It's not an Apple offering.

    I don't see where it's limited to US only (the Onlive site?).

    If it is US only, for that there are three solutions:

    1. tunnel into the US an anonymizing ISP that makes it appear that you
    are in the US. No guarantee it will be fast enough.
    2. wait until its offered outside the US
    3. don't use it at all.


    --
    "I was gratified to be able to answer promptly, and I did.
    I said I didn't know."
    -Samuel Clemens.
     
    Alan Browne, Feb 24, 2012
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  4. Dear Alan & friends:

    Alan Browne <> wrote:

    >On 2012-02-24 16:36 , Juan I. Cahis wrote:
    >
    >> Alan Browne<> wrote:
    >>> The cloud - really.
    >>>
    >>> http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/23/t...ng-speed-state-of-the-art.html?ref=technology
    >>>
    >>> or http://tinyurl.com/7zretvu
    >>>

    >>
    >> Only available for the USA, and maybe, to other "happy" Countries.
    >>
    >> "Discrimination" is always a dirty word, Apple shouldn't have allowed that,
    >> specially in the Internet age.

    >
    >It's not an Apple offering.
    >
    >I don't see where it's limited to US only (the Onlive site?).
    >
    >If it is US only, for that there are three solutions:
    >
    >1. tunnel into the US an anonymizing ISP that makes it appear that you
    >are in the US. No guarantee it will be fast enough.
    >2. wait until its offered outside the US
    >3. don't use it at all.


    It is an Apple problem, because to use it, you need to install in your
    iPad an app from AppleStore, and that app is offered to iPad owners
    from selected Countries only.

    If all of us pay the same money that Apple's wants in order to use
    their iPads, it is discriminating to allow only some customers to be
    more productive than others, based in their national origin.


    Thanks
    Juan I. Cahis
    Santiago de Chile (South America)
     
    Juan I. Cahis, Feb 25, 2012
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  5. Alan Browne

    Alan Browne Guest

    On 2012-02-24 19:08 , Juan I. Cahis wrote:
    > Dear Alan& friends:
    >
    > Alan Browne<> wrote:
    >
    >> On 2012-02-24 16:36 , Juan I. Cahis wrote:
    >>
    >>> Alan Browne<> wrote:
    >>>> The cloud - really.
    >>>>
    >>>> http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/23/t...ng-speed-state-of-the-art.html?ref=technology
    >>>>
    >>>> or http://tinyurl.com/7zretvu
    >>>>
    >>>
    >>> Only available for the USA, and maybe, to other "happy" Countries.
    >>>
    >>> "Discrimination" is always a dirty word, Apple shouldn't have allowed that,
    >>> specially in the Internet age.

    >>
    >> It's not an Apple offering.
    >>
    >> I don't see where it's limited to US only (the Onlive site?).
    >>
    >> If it is US only, for that there are three solutions:
    >>
    >> 1. tunnel into the US an anonymizing ISP that makes it appear that you
    >> are in the US. No guarantee it will be fast enough.
    >> 2. wait until its offered outside the US
    >> 3. don't use it at all.

    >
    > It is an Apple problem, because to use it, you need to install in your
    > iPad an app from AppleStore, and that app is offered to iPad owners
    > from selected Countries only.


    See 1 and 2. above. And 3.

    > If all of us pay the same money that Apple's wants in order to use
    > their iPads, it is discriminating to allow only some customers to be
    > more productive than others, based in their national origin.


    There may be other issues such as the availability of the high speed
    network required to support it; licensing issues between Onlive and
    Microsoft (version used), etc.

    Whatever the real reason it is, it is not arbitrary discrimination.

    In time, as it matures it will spread - after all that's what makes
    money and for that nobody discriminates very hard.

    --
    "I was gratified to be able to answer promptly, and I did.
    I said I didn't know."
    -Samuel Clemens.
     
    Alan Browne, Feb 25, 2012
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  6. In article <>,
    Juan I. Cahis <> wrote:

    > It is an Apple problem, because to use it, you need to install in your
    > iPad an app from AppleStore, and that app is offered to iPad owners from
    > selected Countries only.
    >
    > If all of us pay the same money that Apple's wants in order to use their
    > iPads, it is discriminating to allow only some customers to be more
    > productive than others, based in their national origin.


    There are apps that aren't available in the US that are available in other
    countries.

    The situation here is that even if you could download the app, it wouldn't
    do you any good because the service that the app uses isn't available
    anywhere outside the USA.

    --
    Tea Party Patriots is to Patriotism as
    People's Democratic Republic is to Democracy.
     
    Michelle Steiner, Feb 25, 2012
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  7. Alan Browne

    Wes Groleau Guest

    On 02-24-2012 16:27, Alan Browne wrote:
    >
    > The cloud - really.
    >
    > http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/23/t...ng-speed-state-of-the-art.html?ref=technology
    >
    > or http://tinyurl.com/7zretvu


    Tried it.

    Not likely to be trying it again. Microsoft Word in that thing on an
    iPad is for masochists. Handwriting recognition is like using a really
    old version of ViaVoice for dictation, i.e., recognition is not bad, but
    correcting the inevitable errors is impossible.

    Using the keyboard instead is no fun. One finger hunt-n-peck, because
    instead of using the iPad keyboard, they squeeze in an image of a 67-key
    external keyboard, making the keys way too small for normal typing. And
    if I'm silly enough to try, every attempt at the space bar instead
    launches one of the programs on the task bar.

    When using the keyboard or script recognition, there is apparently some
    secret incantation to get the text from the tool to the document. There
    is an "insert" control, but tapping it erases the text in the widget
    without putting it in the document.

    Is Dvorak's review based on OnLive's marketing materials?

    --
    Wes Groleau

    A UNIX signature isn't a return address, it's the ASCII equivalent
    of a black velvet clown painting. It's a rectangle of carets
    surrounding a quote from a literary giant of weeniedom like
    Heinlein or Dr. Who.
    — Chris Maeda
    Ha, ha, Dr. ..... Who's Chris Maeda?
    — Wes Groleau
     
    Wes Groleau, Feb 25, 2012
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  8. Alan Browne

    Wes Groleau Guest

    On 02-24-2012 17:47, Alan Browne wrote:
    > I don't see where it's limited to US only (the Onlive site?).


    Yes. Read all the legalese. Whether any of those restrictions are
    actually enforced by IP-checking, I doubt.

    > If it is US only, for that there are three solutions:
    >
    > 1. tunnel into the US an anonymizing ISP that makes it appear that you
    > are in the US. No guarantee it will be fast enough.
    > 2. wait until its offered outside the US
    > 3. don't use it at all.


    Having tried it, my recommendation is #3


    --
    Wes Groleau

    “But, Professor! I didn't plagiarize! I paid someone to
    write the essay for me, and that person plagiarized!"
    — from http://rateyourstudents.blogspot.com
     
    Wes Groleau, Feb 25, 2012
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  9. Alan Browne

    Wes Groleau Guest

    On 02-24-2012 19:08, Juan I. Cahis wrote:

    > It is an Apple problem, because to use it, you need to install in your
    > iPad an app from AppleStore, and that app is offered to iPad owners
    > from selected Countries only.
    >
    > If all of us pay the same money that Apple's wants in order to use
    > their iPads, it is discriminating to allow only some customers to be
    > more productive than others, based in their national origin.


    OnLive may be right or wrong to limit access, but Apple doesn't have the
    right to sell it where OnLive says not to.

    --
    Wes Groleau

    Nutrition for Blokes: Re-engineering your diet for life
    http://www.phlaunt.com/quentin
     
    Wes Groleau, Feb 25, 2012
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  10. Dear Wes & friends:

    Wes Groleau <> wrote:
    > On 02-24-2012 17:47, Alan Browne wrote:
    >> I don't see where it's limited to US only (the Onlive site?).

    >
    > Yes. Read all the legalese. Whether any of those restrictions are
    > actually enforced by IP-checking, I doubt.
    >
    >> If it is US only, for that there are three solutions:
    >>
    >> 1. tunnel into the US an anonymizing ISP that makes it appear that you
    >> are in the US. No guarantee it will be fast enough.
    >> 2. wait until its offered outside the US
    >> 3. don't use it at all.

    >
    > Having tried it, my recommendation is #3
    >


    That is a good recommendation!!!

    --
    Enviado desde mi iPad, Juan I. Cahis, Santiago de Chile.
     
    Juan I. Cahis, Feb 25, 2012
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  11. Dear Michelle & friends:

    Michelle Steiner <> wrote:
    > In article <>,
    > Juan I. Cahis <> wrote:
    >
    >> It is an Apple problem, because to use it, you need to install in your
    >> iPad an app from AppleStore, and that app is offered to iPad owners from
    >> selected Countries only.
    >>
    >> If all of us pay the same money that Apple's wants in order to use their
    >> iPads, it is discriminating to allow only some customers to be more
    >> productive than others, based in their national origin.

    >
    > There are apps that aren't available in the US that are available in other
    > countries.


    And I assume that this situation should be very frustrating to the US iPad
    users too.

    > The situation here is that even if you could download the app, it wouldn't
    > do you any good because the service that the app uses isn't available
    > anywhere outside the USA.




    --
    Enviado desde mi iPad, Juan I. Cahis, Santiago de Chile.
     
    Juan I. Cahis, Feb 25, 2012
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  12. In article
    <
    news.com>,
    Juan I. Cahis <> wrote:

    > > There are apps that aren't available in the US that are available in
    > > other countries.

    >
    > And I assume that this situation should be very frustrating to the US
    > iPad users too.


    True, but we don't blame Apple.

    --
    Tea Party Patriots is to Patriotism as
    People's Democratic Republic is to Democracy.
     
    Michelle Steiner, Feb 25, 2012
    #12
  13. Alan Browne

    Bread Guest

    On 2012-02-25 11:52:37 +0000, Juan I. Cahis said:
    > that almost 50% of the apps that they are most praised in
    > the international press, are available in the AppStore for "selected"
    > Countries only.
    >
    > And please note that I am not speaking about content, like songs or books,
    > but about apps. I understand that because the different copyrights laws in
    > the different Countries,


    Copyright laws aren't the only differences between countries.
    Different countries have all kinds of different rules, and not all
    software and authors thereof either comply or are capable of complying
    with all that.

    A trivial example is the difference in privacy laws between Europe and
    the US - that's been in the headlines lately with Google's web browser
    screwup.

    Why you think this is Apple's fault, I cannot fathom. Apple would
    almost certainly be thrilled to have everything available everywhere.
    It's certainly not to Apple's benefit. But Apple has to accomodate the
    differences in the laws and accomodate software authors whose software
    is only intended to be legally available in certain places.
     
    Bread, Feb 25, 2012
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