Which Capacitors?

Discussion in 'Computing' started by Aido, Apr 3, 2007.

  1. Aido

    Aido Guest

    Hiya Peoples.

    One for the Electronics Gurues.

    A few on the Capacitos have gone in a good videocard I have, Replacing
    them isn't a problem skills wise, but not sure if the ones I got will be
    ok. The ones on the card are 820uF/6.3v, I didn't take much notice of
    the uF specs until I looked at the capacitors on the card abit closer.
    Is the uF range critical?

    I got a pack of Capacitors from DSE for $8, It's a multipack.
    The Capacitors in the pack are:
    33uF/16v
    470uF/16v
    220uF/16v
    100uF/16v
    47uF/25v
    330uF/25v
    220uF/25v
    100uF/25v
    2.2uF/100v
    33uF/35v
    4.7uF/50v

    Will any of the above be OK as a replacement for the failed 820uF/6.3v
    Capacitors?
    The failed ones have cracked & expanded on the top. There are 3 green
    Capacitors & 2 brown capacitors of the 820uF/16v spec, Only 2 of the
    green show cracking & expansion. There's also 1 black capacitor with the
    specs of 100uF/16v.
    Should I only replace the 2 failed green ones, All the green ones, Or
    all the green & brown ones?
    The black one is the only one that I have that's has a direct
    replacement in the ones I bought.


    Thanks in advance.

    Aido.
     
    Aido, Apr 3, 2007
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  2. "Aido" <> wrote in message
    news:mWsQh.8829$...
    > Hiya Peoples.
    >
    > One for the Electronics Gurues.
    >
    > A few on the Capacitos have gone in a good videocard I have, Replacing
    > them isn't a problem skills wise, but not sure if the ones I got will be
    > ok. The ones on the card are 820uF/6.3v, I didn't take much notice of the
    > uF specs until I looked at the capacitors on the card abit closer. Is the
    > uF range critical?
    >
    > I got a pack of Capacitors from DSE for $8, It's a multipack.
    > The Capacitors in the pack are:
    > 33uF/16v
    > 470uF/16v
    > 220uF/16v
    > 100uF/16v
    > 47uF/25v
    > 330uF/25v
    > 220uF/25v
    > 100uF/25v
    > 2.2uF/100v
    > 33uF/35v
    > 4.7uF/50v
    >
    > Will any of the above be OK as a replacement for the failed 820uF/6.3v
    > Capacitors?
    > The failed ones have cracked & expanded on the top. There are 3 green
    > Capacitors & 2 brown capacitors of the 820uF/16v spec, Only 2 of the green
    > show cracking & expansion. There's also 1 black capacitor with the specs
    > of 100uF/16v.
    > Should I only replace the 2 failed green ones, All the green ones, Or all
    > the green & brown ones?
    > The black one is the only one that I have that's has a direct replacement
    > in the ones I bought.
    >
    >
    > Thanks in advance.
    >
    > Aido.


    Take it to someone who has more of a clue than you appear to have. This is
    assuming that it is not a troll.

    --
    Cheers .......... Rheilly P
     
    Rheilly Phoull, Apr 3, 2007
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  3. Aido

    user Guest

    "Aido" <> wrote in message news:mWsQh.8829$...
    > Hiya Peoples.
    >
    > One for the Electronics Gurues.
    >
    > A few on the Capacitos have gone in a good videocard I have, Replacing
    > them isn't a problem skills wise, but not sure if the ones I got will be
    > ok. The ones on the card are 820uF/6.3v, I didn't take much notice of
    > the uF specs until I looked at the capacitors on the card abit closer.
    > Is the uF range critical?
    >
    > I got a pack of Capacitors from DSE for $8, It's a multipack.
    > The Capacitors in the pack are:
    > 33uF/16v
    > 470uF/16v
    > 220uF/16v
    > 100uF/16v
    > 47uF/25v
    > 330uF/25v
    > 220uF/25v
    > 100uF/25v
    > 2.2uF/100v
    > 33uF/35v
    > 4.7uF/50v
    >
    > Will any of the above be OK as a replacement for the failed 820uF/6.3v
    > Capacitors?
    > The failed ones have cracked & expanded on the top. There are 3 green
    > Capacitors & 2 brown capacitors of the 820uF/16v spec, Only 2 of the
    > green show cracking & expansion. There's also 1 black capacitor with the
    > specs of 100uF/16v.
    > Should I only replace the 2 failed green ones, All the green ones, Or
    > all the green & brown ones?
    > The black one is the only one that I have that's has a direct
    > replacement in the ones I bought.
    >
    >
    > Thanks in advance.
    >
    > Aido.


    Oh yes, just throw them in, and hope for the best.;)
     
    user, Apr 3, 2007
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  4. Aido

    atec77 Guest

    Aido wrote:
    > Hiya Peoples.
    >
    > One for the Electronics Gurues.
    >
    > A few on the Capacitos have gone in a good videocard I have, Replacing
    > them isn't a problem skills wise, but not sure if the ones I got will be
    > ok. The ones on the card are 820uF/6.3v, I didn't take much notice of
    > the uF specs until I looked at the capacitors on the card abit closer.
    > Is the uF range critical?
    >
    > I got a pack of Capacitors from DSE for $8, It's a multipack.
    > The Capacitors in the pack are:
    > 33uF/16v
    > 470uF/16v
    > 220uF/16v
    > 100uF/16v
    > 47uF/25v
    > 330uF/25v
    > 220uF/25v
    > 100uF/25v
    > 2.2uF/100v
    > 33uF/35v
    > 4.7uF/50v
    >
    > Will any of the above be OK as a replacement for the failed 820uF/6.3v
    > Capacitors?
    > The failed ones have cracked & expanded on the top. There are 3 green
    > Capacitors & 2 brown capacitors of the 820uF/16v spec, Only 2 of the
    > green show cracking & expansion. There's also 1 black capacitor with the
    > specs of 100uF/16v.
    > Should I only replace the 2 failed green ones, All the green ones, Or
    > all the green & brown ones?
    > The black one is the only one that I have that's has a direct
    > replacement in the ones I bought.
    >
    >
    > Thanks in advance.
    >
    > Aido.

    Youneed something much closer to the old caps , it needs about the same
    value and can be the same voltage or better
    like an 820/24v
     
    atec77, Apr 3, 2007
    #4
  5. Aido

    Bhagat Gurtu Guest

    On Tue, 03 Apr 2007 22:19:34 +0800, Clockmeister wrote:


    >>
    >> Will any of the above be OK as a replacement for the failed 820uF/6.3v
    >> Capacitors?

    >
    > No, not likely. Those values are all too low.


    Yes it be possible. If be having physical space, solder capacitor together
    in parallel to sum uF. Can solder together 470uF + 330uF be close enough.
     
    Bhagat Gurtu, Apr 3, 2007
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  6. Aido

    user Guest

    "Bhagat Gurtu" <> wrote in message news:p...
    > On Tue, 03 Apr 2007 22:19:34 +0800, Clockmeister wrote:
    >
    >
    > >>
    > >> Will any of the above be OK as a replacement for the failed 820uF/6.3v
    > >> Capacitors?

    > >
    > > No, not likely. Those values are all too low.

    >
    > Yes it be possible. If be having physical space, solder capacitor together
    > in parallel to sum uF. Can solder together 470uF + 330uF be close enough.
    >
    >
    >


    And then some..sum..mathematicatically+
     
    user, Apr 3, 2007
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  7. Aido

    user Guest

    "atec77" <"atec77 "@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:46126941$0$4612$...
    > Aido wrote:
    > > Hiya Peoples.
    > >
    > > One for the Electronics Gurues.
    > >
    > > A few on the Capacitos have gone in a good videocard I have, Replacing
    > > them isn't a problem skills wise, but not sure if the ones I got will be
    > > ok. The ones on the card are 820uF/6.3v, I didn't take much notice of
    > > the uF specs until I looked at the capacitors on the card abit closer.
    > > Is the uF range critical?
    > >
    > > I got a pack of Capacitors from DSE for $8, It's a multipack.
    > > The Capacitors in the pack are:
    > > 33uF/16v
    > > 470uF/16v
    > > 220uF/16v
    > > 100uF/16v
    > > 47uF/25v
    > > 330uF/25v
    > > 220uF/25v
    > > 100uF/25v
    > > 2.2uF/100v
    > > 33uF/35v
    > > 4.7uF/50v
    > >
    > > Will any of the above be OK as a replacement for the failed 820uF/6.3v
    > > Capacitors?
    > > The failed ones have cracked & expanded on the top. There are 3 green
    > > Capacitors & 2 brown capacitors of the 820uF/16v spec, Only 2 of the
    > > green show cracking & expansion. There's also 1 black capacitor with the
    > > specs of 100uF/16v.
    > > Should I only replace the 2 failed green ones, All the green ones, Or
    > > all the green & brown ones?
    > > The black one is the only one that I have that's has a direct
    > > replacement in the ones I bought.
    > >
    > >
    > > Thanks in advance.
    > >
    > > Aido.

    > Youneed something much closer to the old caps , it needs about the same
    > value and can be the same voltage or better
    > like an 820/24v


    You`re that Brissy wanker.!?
    You got my dog pregnant..
    it`s got puppies, your resposibility. $$ :)
     
    user, Apr 3, 2007
    #7
  8. "Aido" <> wrote in message
    news:mWsQh.8829$...
    > Hiya Peoples.
    >
    > One for the Electronics Gurues.
    >
    > A few on the Capacitos have gone in a good videocard I have, Replacing
    > them isn't a problem skills wise, but not sure if the ones I got will be
    > ok. The ones on the card are 820uF/6.3v, I didn't take much notice of the
    > uF specs until I looked at the capacitors on the card abit closer. Is the
    > uF range critical?
    >
    > I got a pack of Capacitors from DSE for $8, It's a multipack.
    > The Capacitors in the pack are:
    > 33uF/16v
    > 470uF/16v
    > 220uF/16v
    > 100uF/16v
    > 47uF/25v
    > 330uF/25v
    > 220uF/25v
    > 100uF/25v
    > 2.2uF/100v
    > 33uF/35v
    > 4.7uF/50v
    >
    > Will any of the above be OK as a replacement for the failed 820uF/6.3v
    > Capacitors?
    > The failed ones have cracked & expanded on the top. There are 3 green
    > Capacitors & 2 brown capacitors of the 820uF/16v spec, Only 2 of the green
    > show cracking & expansion. There's also 1 black capacitor with the specs
    > of 100uF/16v.
    > Should I only replace the 2 failed green ones, All the green ones, Or all
    > the green & brown ones?
    > The black one is the only one that I have that's has a direct replacement
    > in the ones I bought.


    **Step 1:

    Dispose of all the DSE caps. They're crap.

    Step 2:

    If you're in Sydney, contact WES Components and select appropriate
    capacitors from their 'TK-R' range, as these are actually designed to
    operate inside a computer case. The DSE ones are not. If you're not in
    Sydney, you may find other suppliers with similar ranges. Farnell is also an
    excellent, if not expensive, supplier. Go for 105oC rated caps.

    Step 3:

    Throw those DSE caps out. I bet you still have them.


    --
    Trevor Wilson
    www.rageaudio.com.au



    --
    Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
     
    Trevor Wilson, Apr 4, 2007
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  9. Aido

    Gavern Guest

    > **Step 1:
    >
    > Dispose of all the DSE caps. They're crap.
    >
    > Step 2:
    >
    > If you're in Sydney, contact WES Components and select appropriate
    > capacitors from their 'TK-R' range, as these are actually designed to
    > operate inside a computer case. The DSE ones are not. If you're not in
    > Sydney, you may find other suppliers with similar ranges. Farnell is also
    > an excellent, if not expensive, supplier. Go for 105oC rated caps.
    >
    > Step 3:
    >
    > Throw those DSE caps out. I bet you still have them.
    >
    >
    > --
    > Trevor Wilson
    > www.rageaudio.com.au


    Step 4:

    Aido, if you are not in Sydney, try http://members.iinet.net.au/~worcom/
    (And to be honest, I should remember where yuo are from, being a full-tim
    lurker, infrequent poster to aus.moto)
    They are Perth based and *used* to have a shop in Kensington, but I seem to
    recall an email from then about closing shop and being only mail order...??
    Mail order Aus wide of course.
    (you may also want to see step 6.. but don't skip step 5)

    Step 5:
    See Step 3

    Step 6:
    *IF* you do happen to be in Perth, I think I have some 1000uF 6.3V 105C caps
    left over from a Leadtek mainboard melt-down. Leadtek sent them to me after
    the board was out of warranty. AND I should also have a few extras that I
    did get from Worldwide Electronics...... used them in a DSE SD Set Top Box
    that was notorious for throwing caps. See.. even DSE products don't like DSE
    caps..!!!
     
    Gavern, Apr 4, 2007
    #9
  10. So then this guy called Trevor Wilson said something like:

    >
    > "Aido" <> wrote in message
    > news:mWsQh.8829$...
    >> Hiya Peoples.
    >>
    >> One for the Electronics Gurues.
    >>
    >> A few on the Capacitos have gone in a good videocard I have, Replacing
    >> them isn't a problem skills wise, but not sure if the ones I got will be
    >> ok. The ones on the card are 820uF/6.3v, I didn't take much notice of the
    >> uF specs until I looked at the capacitors on the card abit closer. Is the
    >> uF range critical?
    >>
    >> I got a pack of Capacitors from DSE for $8, It's a multipack.
    >> The Capacitors in the pack are:
    >> 33uF/16v
    >> 470uF/16v
    >> 220uF/16v
    >> 100uF/16v
    >> 47uF/25v
    >> 330uF/25v
    >> 220uF/25v
    >> 100uF/25v
    >> 2.2uF/100v
    >> 33uF/35v
    >> 4.7uF/50v
    >>
    >> Will any of the above be OK as a replacement for the failed 820uF/6.3v
    >> Capacitors?
    >> The failed ones have cracked & expanded on the top. There are 3 green
    >> Capacitors & 2 brown capacitors of the 820uF/16v spec, Only 2 of the
    >> green show cracking & expansion. There's also 1 black capacitor with the
    >> specs of 100uF/16v.
    >> Should I only replace the 2 failed green ones, All the green ones, Or all
    >> the green & brown ones?
    >> The black one is the only one that I have that's has a direct replacement
    >> in the ones I bought.

    >
    > **Step 1:
    >
    > Dispose of all the DSE caps. They're crap.


    Obviously don't throw them out. They work quite well in many applications so
    you might use them somewhere. I have DSE caps running in my amp and they've
    been there a few years now ;)

    tim

    --
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    Mandriva Linux release 2007.0 (Official) for x86_64
    Linux 2.6.20.4 x86_64 AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 2800+
    NVRM version: NVIDIA UNIX x86_64 Kernel Module 1.0-9746
     
    Tim Fairchild, Apr 4, 2007
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  11. Aido

    atec77 Guest

    Tim Fairchild wrote:
    > So then this guy called Trevor Wilson said something like:
    >
    >> "Aido" <> wrote in message
    >> news:mWsQh.8829$...
    >>> Hiya Peoples.
    >>>
    >>> One for the Electronics Gurues.
    >>>
    >>> A few on the Capacitos have gone in a good videocard I have, Replacing
    >>> them isn't a problem skills wise, but not sure if the ones I got will be
    >>> ok. The ones on the card are 820uF/6.3v, I didn't take much notice of the
    >>> uF specs until I looked at the capacitors on the card abit closer. Is the
    >>> uF range critical?
    >>>
    >>> I got a pack of Capacitors from DSE for $8, It's a multipack.
    >>> The Capacitors in the pack are:
    >>> 33uF/16v
    >>> 470uF/16v
    >>> 220uF/16v
    >>> 100uF/16v
    >>> 47uF/25v
    >>> 330uF/25v
    >>> 220uF/25v
    >>> 100uF/25v
    >>> 2.2uF/100v
    >>> 33uF/35v
    >>> 4.7uF/50v
    >>>
    >>> Will any of the above be OK as a replacement for the failed 820uF/6.3v
    >>> Capacitors?
    >>> The failed ones have cracked & expanded on the top. There are 3 green
    >>> Capacitors & 2 brown capacitors of the 820uF/16v spec, Only 2 of the
    >>> green show cracking & expansion. There's also 1 black capacitor with the
    >>> specs of 100uF/16v.
    >>> Should I only replace the 2 failed green ones, All the green ones, Or all
    >>> the green & brown ones?
    >>> The black one is the only one that I have that's has a direct replacement
    >>> in the ones I bought.

    >> **Step 1:
    >>
    >> Dispose of all the DSE caps. They're crap.

    >
    > Obviously don't throw them out. They work quite well in many applications so
    > you might use them somewhere. I have DSE caps running in my amp and they've
    > been there a few years now ;)
    >
    > tim
    >

    How dare you disagree with trevy
    HeHeHe :)
     
    atec77, Apr 4, 2007
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  12. Aido

    MisterE Guest


    > I got a pack of Capacitors from DSE for $8, It's a multipack.
    > The Capacitors in the pack are:
    > 33uF/16v
    > 470uF/16v
    > 220uF/16v
    > 100uF/16v
    > 47uF/25v
    > 330uF/25v
    > 220uF/25v
    > 100uF/25v
    > 2.2uF/100v
    > 33uF/35v
    > 4.7uF/50v
    >
    > Will any of the above be OK as a replacement for the failed 820uF/6.3v
    > Capacitors?
    > The failed ones have cracked & expanded on the top. There are 3 green
    > Capacitors & 2 brown capacitors of the 820uF/16v spec, Only 2 of the green
    > show cracking & expansion. There's also 1 black capacitor with the specs
    > of 100uF/16v.
    > Should I only replace the 2 failed green ones, All the green ones, Or all
    > the green & brown ones?
    > The black one is the only one that I have that's has a direct replacement
    > in the ones I bought.


    By the size and voltage it would seem to be one of the major filter caps on
    the 5V/3.3V supply rail. You could probably get a way with it if it had no
    inductors in the circuit, but you are ganna fore sure have brown outs when
    something loads heavily.

    If you can fit 3x 330uF in parrallel for each 820uF it should work.
    Basically you solder in one. Then Solder the other two onto the first ones
    feet, one of the left, one on the right.

    See farnellinone.com.au or other places if you want to buy a capacitor. You
    need anything that is >= 820uF and >= 6.3 volts.
     
    MisterE, Apr 4, 2007
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  13. Aido

    Craig Welch Guest

    Clockmeister wrote:

    >>Yes it be possible. If be having physical space, solder capacitor together
    >>in parallel to sum uF. Can solder together 470uF + 330uF be close enough.
    >>

    >
    >
    > And make a fucking pigs breakfast of it for the sake of saving $10?
    >
    > Don't be rediculous.


    Huh? Pig's breakfast?

    If you can solder, this is a trivial exercise ...

    --
    Craig
     
    Craig Welch, Apr 4, 2007
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  14. Aido

    Aido Guest

    Thanks Guys, All advice taken on board.
    Will post on how I go when I get to giving it a go.

    Aido. :)>
    PS: I'm in Melb

    MisterE wrote:
    >>I got a pack of Capacitors from DSE for $8, It's a multipack.
    >>The Capacitors in the pack are:
    >>33uF/16v
    >>470uF/16v
    >>220uF/16v
    >>100uF/16v
    >>47uF/25v
    >>330uF/25v
    >>220uF/25v
    >>100uF/25v
    >>2.2uF/100v
    >>33uF/35v
    >>4.7uF/50v
    >>
    >>Will any of the above be OK as a replacement for the failed 820uF/6.3v
    >>Capacitors?
    >>The failed ones have cracked & expanded on the top. There are 3 green
    >>Capacitors & 2 brown capacitors of the 820uF/16v spec, Only 2 of the green
    >>show cracking & expansion. There's also 1 black capacitor with the specs
    >>of 100uF/16v.
    >>Should I only replace the 2 failed green ones, All the green ones, Or all
    >>the green & brown ones?
    >>The black one is the only one that I have that's has a direct replacement
    >>in the ones I bought.

    >
    >
    > By the size and voltage it would seem to be one of the major filter caps on
    > the 5V/3.3V supply rail. You could probably get a way with it if it had no
    > inductors in the circuit, but you are ganna fore sure have brown outs when
    > something loads heavily.
    >
    > If you can fit 3x 330uF in parrallel for each 820uF it should work.
    > Basically you solder in one. Then Solder the other two onto the first ones
    > feet, one of the left, one on the right.
    >
    > See farnellinone.com.au or other places if you want to buy a capacitor. You
    > need anything that is >= 820uF and >= 6.3 volts.
    >
    >
     
    Aido, Apr 4, 2007
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  15. Aido

    Bhagat Gurtu Guest

    On Wed, 04 Apr 2007 19:35:54 +0800, Clockmeister wrote:


    > "Craig Welch" <> wrote in message
    > news:ZvLQh.9226$...
    >> Clockmeister wrote:
    >>
    >>>>Yes it be possible. If be having physical space, solder capacitor
    >>>>together
    >>>>in parallel to sum uF. Can solder together 470uF + 330uF be close
    >>>>enough.
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>> And make a fucking pigs breakfast of it for the sake of saving $10?
    >>>
    >>> Don't be rediculous.

    >>
    >> Huh? Pig's breakfast?
    >>
    >> If you can solder, this is a trivial exercise ...
    >>
    >>

    > Yes, but soldering one capacitor in place verses stringing them
    > together, cmon.


    No need for pig breakfasting. Can make very attractive capacitor tower
    with alpha-cyano acrylate glue and glow spaghetti covered leads to solder
    point. Easy to install blue LED upgrade to capacitor tower at this time
    too. Can be proud to show friends your skillfulls.
     
    Bhagat Gurtu, Apr 4, 2007
    #15
  16. "Aido" <> wrote in message
    news:mWsQh.8829$...
    > Hiya Peoples.
    >
    > One for the Electronics Gurues.
    >
    > A few on the Capacitos have gone in a good videocard I have, Replacing
    > them isn't a problem skills wise, but not sure if the ones I got will be
    > ok. The ones on the card are 820uF/6.3v, I didn't take much notice of the
    > uF specs until I looked at the capacitors on the card abit closer. Is the
    > uF range critical?

    the uF capacity won't be critical as they will be filter caps, but you
    should try to get it close. Preferably erring on the side of going to a
    slightly higher value. I'd probably start by measuring the voltage where
    they are - being 6.3V they _should_ be on a 3.3V rail, but it's not unusual
    to see cheap chinese stuff do stuff like putting 6.3V caps on a 5V rail (and
    I have even seen 10V caps on a 12V rail - not surprising that they went bang
    in a short period). If they are operating too close to their maximum
    voltage, spikes can easily exceed the rating and lead them to going bang. So
    if it is a 5V rail I'd probably put minimum 10V caps on there. If it is 3.3V
    then 6.3's will be fine.
    If you can't find 820uF caps, 1000uF will work fine, and 680's would
    probably be ok too. Filter caps aren't critical, and in most cases when
    oddball values are used, it's simply because they were able to buy a bunch
    of them cheap as distress stock.
    >
    > I got a pack of Capacitors from DSE for $8, It's a multipack.
    > The Capacitors in the pack are:
    > 33uF/16v
    > 470uF/16v
    > 220uF/16v
    > 100uF/16v
    > 47uF/25v
    > 330uF/25v
    > 220uF/25v
    > 100uF/25v
    > 2.2uF/100v
    > 33uF/35v
    > 4.7uF/50v
    >
    > Will any of the above be OK as a replacement for the failed 820uF/6.3v
    > Capacitors?

    _IF_ you have room, you could parallel two of the 470/16s, but I'd suggest
    go out and buy some 820/6.3, 820/10, 1000/6.3 or 1000/10. If you can't find
    any 6.3 or 10v caps, then 16v will be fine but might be a bit too bulky.
    > The failed ones have cracked & expanded on the top. There are 3 green
    > Capacitors & 2 brown capacitors of the 820uF/16v spec, Only 2 of the green
    > show cracking & expansion. There's also 1 black capacitor with the specs
    > of 100uF/16v.

    ok, so the 6.3V green ones have failed, while the 16V ones are ok? The 16V
    ones are probably on the 12V rail, and aren't subject to as much stress -
    I'd suggest there's no need to replace them. However I would replace all the
    caps of the type that have failed.
    > Should I only replace the 2 failed green ones, All the green ones, Or all
    > the green & brown ones?
    > The black one is the only one that I have that's has a direct replacement
    > in the ones I bought.
    >
    >
    > Thanks in advance.
    >
    > Aido.
     
    Graham Fountain, Apr 4, 2007
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