WHat kind of cards go in the PCI Express x1 minicard socket?

Discussion in 'PC Hardware' started by Al Dykes, Jan 23, 2010.

  1. Al Dykes

    Al Dykes Guest

    What is the PCI Express x1 minicard socket on the machine I'm about to
    order for?

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    Al Dykes
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    Al Dykes, Jan 23, 2010
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    Mike Easter Guest

    Al Dykes wrote:
    > What is the PCI Express x1 minicard socket on the machine I'm about to
    > order for?


    All snippage below; page last modified 2009 Aug. The page lists some
    specific wifi adapters.

    http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/MiniPCI_Express_slot A MiniPCI Express
    slot is a version of the PCI-Express x1 slot for Notebooks - Though the
    slot is MiniPCIe in form factor, it has been crippled to only accept
    devices with PCI-ID's contained in a BIOS whitelist consisting of the
    above list of devices (likely not exhaustive and varying depending on
    the particular system) with the additional requirement that they must
    carry the Lenovo brand name and consequently cost twice as much. If an
    unauthorized card is plugged in it gives a 1802 error on initial boot up
    before it even touches the operating system. (see Problem with
    unauthorized MiniPCI network card, 1802 with MiniPCIe on t60,same). The
    workarounds on the first link concerning MiniPCI devices may or may not
    be directly applicable to the MiniPCIe slot. Anyone who has added
    non-Lenovo components to this slot either successfully or unsuccessfully
    is encouraged to provide any relevant details here.


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    Mike Easter, Jan 23, 2010
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  3. Al Dykes

    Al Dykes Guest

    In article <>,
    Mike Easter <> wrote:
    >Al Dykes wrote:
    >> What is the PCI Express x1 minicard socket on the machine I'm about to
    >> order for?

    >
    >All snippage below; page last modified 2009 Aug. The page lists some
    >specific wifi adapters.
    >


    >http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/MiniPCI_Express_slot A MiniPCI Express
    >slot is a version of the PCI-Express x1 slot for Notebooks - Though the




    Thanks. Oddly, this is a desktop machine.



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    Al Dykes
    News is something someone wants to suppress, everything else is advertising.
    - Lord Northcliffe, publisher of the Daily Mail
     
    Al Dykes, Jan 23, 2010
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    Mike Easter Guest

    Al Dykes wrote:

    > Thanks. Oddly, this is a desktop machine.


    Nowhere have you mentioned any identification of the machine in
    question. Some desktops are like 'nettops' which have the
    characteristics of a netbook with a hdd in a desktop.

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    Mike Easter
     
    Mike Easter, Jan 23, 2010
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  5. Al Dykes

    Mike Easter Guest

    Mike Easter wrote:
    > Al Dykes wrote:
    >
    >> Thanks. Oddly, this is a desktop machine.

    >
    > Nowhere have you mentioned any identification of the machine in
    > question. Some desktops are like 'nettops' which have the
    > characteristics of a netbook with a hdd in a desktop.
    >


    .... which, incidentally, illustrates the problem with people starting a
    topic question by typing a question in the subject instead of doing it
    the right way.


    Subject: WHat kind of cards go in the PCI Express x1 minicard socket?

    > What is the PCI Express x1 minicard socket on the machine I'm about to
    > order for?



    The right way to start a new topic question is to start your message in
    the body, not the subject. That body should be composed only of
    complete sentences and it should provide sufficient background so that
    the readers don't have to read your mind to figure out what you are
    talking about.

    In this case, you didn't say anything about 'the machine I'm about to
    order', choosing instead to keep that a secret to yourself while asking
    why the mfr built the mystery machine as they did.

    Instead, you should name the brand and modelno of the machine you are
    ordering, then ask your question in the body, then give your new message
    a very very brief 'title' to reflect the content of the body.

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    Mike Easter
     
    Mike Easter, Jan 23, 2010
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    Paul Guest

    Al Dykes wrote:
    > What is the PCI Express x1 minicard socket on the machine I'm about to
    > order for?
    >


    A PCI Express x1 slot is used for expansion cards. In the same sense as
    a regular PCI slot is used for expansion cards.

    The old PCI slot is a 32 bit parallel bus, delivering data at speeds
    up to 133MB/sec theoretical. That is the desktop version.

    The PCI Express x1 is a serial, point to point bus. The chipset is a
    "hub" for those interfaces. The bus is private and runs between
    the expansion slot and the chipset. For a revision 1 lane, the interface
    delivers 250MB/sec. For a revision 2 lane (less common on PCI Express x1
    slots), you get 500MB/sec. So the PCI Express x1 slot is smaller than
    PCI, and delivers more data. And because it is a private interface,
    none of the other slots interfere with it. At least, not like
    the PCI bus used to (as PCI is shared amongst all the cards on the
    same bus segment).

    What can you use it for ? All sorts of stuff. For example, you can
    buy new sound cards with that interface on them. But if you have
    an old PCI sound card you liked, and move that from machine to machine,
    then a computer with nothing but PCI Express in it, means you won't be
    able to reuse your old PCI sound card.

    It has taken some time for other functions to show up with
    that interface on them. One company rushed to market, in an
    attempt to be first, and they did cards like this.

    USB PCI chip
    |
    |
    PCI <--> PCI EXpress
    Bridge Chip
    |
    |
    PCI Express x1 connector

    If they do a card that way, the end user may end up paying about
    $20 more for the card. So if a USB PCI card costs $10, a bridged
    card might cost $30. You can see, that if you're competing head
    to head with PCI, you lose by doing that. Eventually, some day,
    PCI will be eliminated just as surely as ISA was, so the cheap
    PCI cards will disappear to be replaced by PCI Express ones. If
    there is enough of a market, companies will eventually make
    chips with native PCI Express interfaces.

    It took the longest time for sound cards to show up. I figured
    they'd just slap a bridge on an existing design, and rush to market,
    but that didn't happen. If you look at the PCI Express sound
    cards on Newegg right now, people aren't very happy with them,
    which makes me appreciate my $8 PCI sound card all the more.

    There are pictures of the various flavors of PCI Express here.
    The first article has desktop slots and mini card pictures.
    (All instances of internal expansion solutions.) The second
    article is for laptops.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pci_express
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ExpressCard

    Paul
     
    Paul, Jan 23, 2010
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  7. Al Dykes

    Al Dykes Guest

    In article <>,
    Mike Easter <> wrote:
    >Al Dykes wrote:
    >
    >> Thanks. Oddly, this is a desktop machine.

    >
    >Nowhere have you mentioned any identification of the machine in
    >question. Some desktops are like 'nettops' which have the
    >characteristics of a netbook with a hdd in a desktop.
    >



    It's a MicroATX machine.

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    Al Dykes
    News is something someone wants to suppress, everything else is advertising.
    - Lord Northcliffe, publisher of the Daily Mail
     
    Al Dykes, Jan 23, 2010
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    Mike Easter Guest

    Al Dykes wrote:
    > Mike Easter
    >> Al Dykes wrote:
    >>
    >>> Thanks. Oddly, this is a desktop machine.


    >> Nowhere have you mentioned any identification of the machine in
    >> question. Some desktops are like 'nettops' which have the
    >> characteristics of a netbook with a hdd in a desktop.


    > It's a MicroATX machine.
    >

    To me, microatx means a mobo form factor standard, not a brand and
    modelno identification of a particular machine which is about to be
    ordered. Microatx doesn't identify it any better than desktop did.

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    Mike Easter
     
    Mike Easter, Jan 23, 2010
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    Jon Danniken Guest

    Benedict wrote:
    > "Al Dykes" <> wrote in message
    > news:hjf0n0$hbf$...
    >>
    >> What is the PCI Express x1 minicard socket on the machine I'm about
    >> to order for?
    >>
    >> --
    >> Al Dykes
    >> News is something someone wants to suppress, everything else is
    >> advertising.
    >> - Lord Northcliffe, publisher of the Daily Mail
    >>

    >
    > I've got this sound card in my PCI-E x1 slot
    > http://www.ebuyer.com/product/129740
    >
    > also I believe you can get network cards for PCI-E x1


    Indeed, I am running one now.

    Jon
     
    Jon Danniken, Jan 25, 2010
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    John Doe Guest

    adykes panix.com (Al Dykes) wrote:

    > Mike Easter <> wrote:
    >> Al Dykes wrote:


    >>> What is the PCI Express x1 minicard socket on the machine I'm
    >>> about to order for?

    >>
    >> All snippage below; page last modified 2009 Aug. The page
    >> lists some specific wifi adapters.

    >
    >> http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/MiniPCI_Express_slot


    >> A MiniPCI Express slot is a version of the PCI-Express x1 slot
    >> for Notebooks


    > Thanks. Oddly, this is a desktop machine.


    Apparently Mike was confused by the terminology "minicard" in your
    subject line "PCI Express x1 minicard". He thought it was
    something other than an ordinary PCI Express x1 slot found on
    most modern desktop motherboards.
     
    John Doe, Nov 15, 2010
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    Mike Easter Guest

    John Doe wrote:
    > adykes panix.com (Al Dykes) wrote:


    The 11 message thread from 2010 Jan can be seen here
    http://peek.snipr.com/1gkc1v [groups_google_com]


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    Mike Easter, Nov 15, 2010
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    VanguardLH Guest

    Mike Easter wrote:

    > John Doe wrote:
    >
    >> adykes panix.com (Al Dykes) wrote way back on 25-Jan-2010:

    >
    > The 11 message thread from 2010 Jan can be seen here
    > http://peek.snipr.com/1gkc1v [groups_google_com]


    Naw, you don't mean to say that John Doe, always so graciously helpful
    in all his posts, decided to resurrect an ancient 10-month dead thread,
    do ya? >;->
     
    VanguardLH, Nov 15, 2010
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    John Doe Guest

    VanguardLH <V nguard.LH> wrote:

    > Naw, you don't mean to say that John Doe, always so graciously
    > helpful in all his posts, decided to resurrect an ancient
    > 10-month dead thread, do ya? >;->


    If MouthGuard were the ruler of UseNet he pretends to be, instead
    of just a condescending pretentious prick, he would know that in
    fact people find information from UseNet many years (even decades)
    after it has been posted. I was simply clearing up confusion
    because of a misunderstanding, in a thread branch of several
    posts.
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    > Subject: Re: WHat kind of cards go in the PCI Express x1 minicard socket?
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    John Doe, Nov 15, 2010
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  14. Al Dykes

    VanguardLH Guest

    NOTE: JD still attempting the troll maneuver of trying to get replies
    cross-posted into unrelated "dump" groups. The following newsgroup was
    omitted in my reply:

    free.UseNet


    John Doe wrote:

    > VanguardLH <V nguard.LH> wrote:
    >
    >> Naw, you don't mean to say that John Doe, always so graciously
    >> helpful in all his posts, decided to resurrect an ancient 10-month
    >> dead thread, do ya? >;->

    >
    > If MouthGuard were the ruler of UseNet he pretends to be, instead of
    > just a condescending pretentious prick,


    Yep, that childish retort sure lends credence to his professional
    assistance to others.

    > he would know that in fact people find information from UseNet many
    > years (even decades) after it has been posted.


    Garnering information to resolve a problem through a Usenet search is
    not the same as purporting to response to an ancient and dead thread.
    Go start your own blog and let users find your diary entries there.

    > I was simply clearing up confusion because of a misunderstanding, in a
    > thread branch of several posts.


    Oh, instead of finding NEW posts in which you could provide current
    help to those posters. Uh huh. Try catching up in reverse: address
    the posts of today and then progress backwards. With all the folks
    asking for help, you'll have a tough time getting to any of the really
    old posts, like those A YEAR OLD.
     
    VanguardLH, Nov 16, 2010
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    John Doe Guest

    VanguardLH <V nguard.LH> wrote:

    > NOTE: JD still attempting the troll maneuver of trying to get
    > replies cross-posted


    Nobody gives a **** where your reply goes to, MouthGuard.

    > John Doe wrote:
    >> VanguardLH <V nguard.LH> wrote:
    >>
    >>> Naw, you don't mean to say that John Doe, always so graciously
    >>> helpful in all his posts, decided to resurrect an ancient
    >>> 10-month dead thread, do ya? >;->

    >>
    >> If MouthGuard were the ruler of UseNet he pretends to be,
    >> instead of just a condescending pretentious prick,

    >
    > Yep, that childish retort sure lends credence to his
    > professional assistance to others.


    You are a bozo too, MouthGuard.
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    >> he would know that in fact people find information from UseNet many
    >> years (even decades) after it has been posted.

    >
    > Garnering information to resolve a problem through a Usenet search is
    > not the same as purporting to response to an ancient and dead thread.
    > Go start your own blog and let users find your diary entries there.
    >
    >> I was simply clearing up confusion because of a misunderstanding, in a
    >> thread branch of several posts.

    >
    > Oh, instead of finding NEW posts in which you could provide current
    > help to those posters. Uh huh. Try catching up in reverse: address
    > the posts of today and then progress backwards. With all the folks
    > asking for help, you'll have a tough time getting to any of the really
    > old posts, like those A YEAR OLD.
    >
    >


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    > Subject: Re: WHat kind of cards go in the PCI Express x1 minicard socket?
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    John Doe, Nov 16, 2010
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