Safari Crashes on iPad 1

Discussion in 'iPad' started by Davoud, Jan 6, 2012.

  1. Davoud

    Davoud Guest

    (Apologies of this is a duplicate; my first effort seems to have
    disappeared into the aether.)

    My wife's iPad 1 with 32GB of RAM is running IOS 5.0.1.

    She uses Safari primarily to read news sites--NYT, Balt Sun, Wash Post,
    MSNBC, et al. Safari crashes perhaps every half hour or so. She has
    been unable to relate the crashes to any particular kind of page
    content. She reset Safari and the problem went away for a couple of
    days before returning.

    Ideas welcome. TIA!

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    Davoud, Jan 6, 2012
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  2. Davoud

    Ed Cryer Guest

    Davoud wrote:
    > (Apologies of this is a duplicate; my first effort seems to have
    > disappeared into the aether.)
    >
    > My wife's iPad 1 with 32GB of RAM is running IOS 5.0.1.
    >
    > She uses Safari primarily to read news sites--NYT, Balt Sun, Wash Post,
    > MSNBC, et al. Safari crashes perhaps every half hour or so. She has
    > been unable to relate the crashes to any particular kind of page
    > content. She reset Safari and the problem went away for a couple of
    > days before returning.
    >
    > Ideas welcome. TIA!
    >


    The iPad itself is probably the best witness in these circumstances.
    Have a look at General/ About/ Diagnostics & Usage Data.

    Ed
     
    Ed Cryer, Jan 6, 2012
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  3. Davoud

    Guest

    On Fri, 06 Jan 2012 12:32:00 -0500, Davoud <> wrote:

    >(Apologies of this is a duplicate; my first effort seems to have
    >disappeared into the aether.)
    >
    >My wife's iPad 1 with 32GB of RAM is running IOS 5.0.1.
    >
    >She uses Safari primarily to read news sites--NYT, Balt Sun, Wash Post,
    >MSNBC, et al. Safari crashes perhaps every half hour or so. She has
    >been unable to relate the crashes to any particular kind of page
    >content. She reset Safari and the problem went away for a couple of
    >days before returning.
    >
    >Ideas welcome. TIA!

    I can't help you with the root cause, but make sure you try a full
    reboot and see if the symptoms go away. Hold the power and home
    buttons until the white apple symbol appears (ignore the slide to turn
    off when it comes up and keep holding the buttons until the apple
    symbol appears). No data is lost doing that. I have had almost no
    problems with my iPad, but the few that did occur went away after a
    reboot. The same procedure works on iPhones.

    Pat
     
    , Jan 6, 2012
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  4. Davoud

    Erilar Guest

    Davoud <> wrote:
    > (Apologies of this is a duplicate; my first effort seems to have
    > disappeared into the aether.)
    >
    > My wife's iPad 1 with 32GB of RAM is running IOS 5.0.1.
    >
    > She uses Safari primarily to read news sites--NYT, Balt Sun, Wash Post,
    > MSNBC, et al. Safari crashes perhaps every half hour or so. She has
    > been unable to relate the crashes to any particular kind of page
    > content. She reset Safari and the problem went away for a couple of
    > days before returning.
    >
    > Ideas welcome. TIA!


    This is probably not helpful, but I read a lot of news, too--for which I
    have apps. I'm NOT using iOS5, however.

    --
    Erilar, biblioholic medievalist with iPad
     
    Erilar, Jan 7, 2012
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  5. Davoud

    Davoud Guest

    Davoud:
    > >Safari crashes perhaps every half hour or so...


    Pat:
    > ...make sure you try a full reboot and see if the symptoms go away...


    Thanks. I should have said that forced reboots failed to make a
    difference.

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    Davoud, Jan 7, 2012
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  6. In article <060120121232007956%>, Davoud <>
    wrote:

    > (Apologies of this is a duplicate; my first effort seems to have
    > disappeared into the aether.)
    >
    > My wife's iPad 1 with 32GB of RAM is running IOS 5.0.1.
    >
    > She uses Safari primarily to read news sites--NYT, Balt Sun, Wash Post,
    > MSNBC, et al. Safari crashes perhaps every half hour or so. She has
    > been unable to relate the crashes to any particular kind of page
    > content. She reset Safari and the problem went away for a couple of
    > days before returning.
    >
    > Ideas welcome. TIA!


    I've seen the same thing (iPad1, 32 Gig, iOS 5.0.1) in Safari, though it
    seems worse on the Washington Post site (though I do go there more than
    any other paper). FWIW, there was a time about 3 weeks ago when Neither
    Safari or Mercury could open a WaPo page without crashing. This has
    gotten better since.
     
    David Fritzinger, Jan 7, 2012
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  7. Davoud

    Bert Guest

    In news:060120121232007956% Davoud <> wrote:

    > She uses Safari primarily to read news sites--NYT, Balt Sun, Wash
    > Post, MSNBC, et al. Safari crashes perhaps every half hour or so. She
    > has been unable to relate the crashes to any particular kind of page
    > content. She reset Safari and the problem went away for a couple of
    > days before returning.


    Happens to my iPad all the time.

    Judging by the hundreds of "LowMemory..." logs that show up in the
    CrashReporter directory, there's just not enough RAM (or whatever the
    iPad uses) to run the browser reliably.

    Other apps crash from time to time as well, but not so often as Safari.

    --
    St. Paul, MN
     
    Bert, Jan 8, 2012
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  8. Davoud

    nospam Guest

    In article <Xns9FD3BA6FFA05DVeebleFetzer@216.250.188.140>, Bert
    <> wrote:

    > > She uses Safari primarily to read news sites--NYT, Balt Sun, Wash
    > > Post, MSNBC, et al. Safari crashes perhaps every half hour or so. She
    > > has been unable to relate the crashes to any particular kind of page
    > > content. She reset Safari and the problem went away for a couple of
    > > days before returning.

    >
    > Happens to my iPad all the time.
    >
    > Judging by the hundreds of "LowMemory..." logs that show up in the
    > CrashReporter directory, there's just not enough RAM (or whatever the
    > iPad uses) to run the browser reliably.


    this is where quitting all the apps in the taskbar helps a *lot*, even
    though memory management is supposed to happen automatically. the
    reality is, it doesn't work as well as it should.

    > Other apps crash from time to time as well, but not so often as Safari.


    try another browser. safari is very light on features.
     
    nospam, Jan 8, 2012
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  9. Davoud

    Wes Groleau Guest

    On 01-07-2012 19:19, Bert wrote:
    > In news:060120121232007956% Davoud<> wrote:
    >
    >> She uses Safari primarily to read news sites--NYT, Balt Sun, Wash
    >> Post, MSNBC, et al. Safari crashes perhaps every half hour or so. She
    >> has been unable to relate the crashes to any particular kind of page
    >> content. She reset Safari and the problem went away for a couple of
    >> days before returning.

    >
    > Happens to my iPad all the time.
    >
    > Judging by the hundreds of "LowMemory..." logs that show up in the
    > CrashReporter directory, there's just not enough RAM (or whatever the
    > iPad uses) to run the browser reliably.
    >
    > Other apps crash from time to time as well, but not so often as Safari.


    Safari rarely crashes on my iPad 1

    Facebook crashes often, and occasionally, it will also terminate another
    app that is supposedly suspended.

    --
    Wes Groleau

    "What progress we are making! In the Middle Ages, they would have
    burnt me; nowadays they are content with burning my books.â€
    — Sigmund Freud, 1933
    "He was never to know that even that was only an illusory progress,
    that ten years later they would have burned his body as well.â€
    — Ernest Jones, 1953
     
    Wes Groleau, Jan 8, 2012
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  10. Davoud

    Davoud Guest

    nospam:
    > try [sic] another browser. safari [sic] is very light on features.


    e.e. cummings you are not.

    You forgot the "IMO." Safari on my IOS thingies has every feature I
    require in a web browser in that it displays web pages properly.

    --
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    you will say in your entire life.

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    Davoud, Jan 8, 2012
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  11. Davoud

    nospam Guest

    In article <070120122245311240%>, Davoud <>
    wrote:

    > > try [sic] another browser. safari [sic] is very light on features.

    >
    > e.e. cummings you are not.
    >
    > You forgot the "IMO." Safari on my IOS thingies has every feature I
    > require in a web browser in that it displays web pages properly.


    maybe you don't need them, however, it's a fact, not opinion, that
    other browsers have a lot more features, including ad blocking, cookie
    management, real tabs (which safari finally has in ios 5 but only on
    ipads), ability to download files, ability to set the user agent (very
    useful for some sites), dropbox sync, built-in google mobilizer and
    even limited plug-in support. there are also browsers on the ipad that
    can display two different pages side by side, which can be very useful
    in some situations.

    it's the same on macos. safari is decent but light on features there
    too. for example, it only recently supported plug-ins and its cookie
    management (especially in 5.1) is very limited.
     
    nospam, Jan 8, 2012
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  12. Davoud

    Davoud Guest

    nospam:
    > > > try [sic] another browser. safari [sic] is very light on features.


    Davoud:
    > > e.e. cummings you are not.


    > > You forgot the "IMO." Safari on my IOS thingies has every feature I
    > > require in a web browser in that it displays web pages properly.


    nospam:
    > maybe you don't need them...


    Bingo. You again forgot the "IMO" for the usefulness of the features
    you say Safari lacks. Different strokes for different folks and all. I
    don't need to manage cookies on my iPad or set the user agent, which
    you say is "very useful for some sites," and I believe you, but I have
    never visited such a site and it seems unlikely that I ever will. I can
    download photos and PDF's and that's enough for me.

    Safari also works for me on Mac OS and Windows. I hope that you don't
    disapprove of that.

    --
    I agree with almost everything that you have said and almost everything that
    you will say in your entire life.

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    Davoud, Jan 8, 2012
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  13. Davoud <> wrote:
    > My wife's iPad 1 with 32GB of RAM is running IOS 5.0.1.


    Unfortunately this is "normal" on the iPad 1. This device simply doesn't
    have enough main memory built-in. So it runs out of memory very fast. And
    compared to iOS 4.x the device seems to run out of memory much faster under
    iOS 5, so it is likely that iOS 5 needs some more memory for itself,
    leaving less for the Apps.

    There's not much you can do here. It might help to terminate other Apps in
    the Task Switcher and close other Tabs to get more free memory, though
    theoretically the iOS should be able to do this itself in time.

    A good idea would be to tell Apple about this, so maybe they care about
    this and find a way to make the iOS use less memory in the future.

    --
    Alexander
     
    Alexander Clauss, Jan 9, 2012
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  14. Davoud

    Davoud Guest

    In article <>,
    <-darmstadt.de> wrote:

    Davoud:
    > > My wife's iPad 1 with 32GB of RAM is running IOS 5.0.1.


    Alexander Clauss:
    > Unfortunately this is "normal" on the iPad 1....


    That is not possible. If that were true this problem would have
    occurred on my wife's iPad from the day it was new, but it started very
    recently; and it would have occurred on my former iPad 1 and on my
    neighbor's iPad and on my friends' iPads and on my niece's iPad, but it
    does not. Furthermore, this forum would be full of reports of Safari
    crashing, but it is not.

    --
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    Davoud, Jan 9, 2012
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  15. Davoud

    Blarp Guest

    On Sun, 08 Jan 2012 19:14:53 -0600, Jolly Roger <>
    wrote:

    >In article <>,
    > Alexander Clauss <-darmstadt.de> wrote:
    >
    >> Davoud <> wrote:
    >> > My wife's iPad 1 with 32GB of RAM is running IOS 5.0.1.

    >>
    >> Unfortunately this is "normal" on the iPad 1.

    >
    >What a foolish thing to say. Many, many iPad users do not experience
    >this issue.
    >
    >> This device simply doesn't
    >> have enough main memory built-in. So it runs out of memory very fast.

    >
    >You have zero proof that a supposed lack of available memory has
    >anything at all to do with Davoud's problem.


    iPad1 runs out of memory alright.

    I installed the iCab browser (more powerful compared to Safari, but
    crashes just as fast) which has a low memory early warning feature.

    It comes up very rapidly, with some pages only one tab open is enough.

    So far I disabled javascript, which renders some pages unusable, but
    surprisingly many are still viewable - and no more memory problems.

    Opera Mobile also works better compared to Safari as it does not use
    the same webkit. Sadly Opera does not render all pages correctly

    In short - it *is* a RAM memory depletion problem, which became much
    more aggressive after IOS5 that seems to be optimised for iPad2 that
    has twice the memory.
     
    Blarp, Jan 9, 2012
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  16. Davoud

    Davoud Guest

    Blarp wrote:

    > In short - it *is* a RAM memory depletion problem....


    In short, I think you're full of s**t.

    --
    I agree with almost everything that you have said and almost everything that
    you will say in your entire life.

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    Davoud, Jan 9, 2012
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  17. Davoud

    nospam Guest

    In article <>, Blarp
    <> wrote:

    > >> This device simply doesn't
    > >> have enough main memory built-in. So it runs out of memory very fast.

    > >
    > >You have zero proof that a supposed lack of available memory has
    > >anything at all to do with Davoud's problem.

    >
    > iPad1 runs out of memory alright.


    yes it does.

    > I installed the iCab browser (more powerful compared to Safari, but
    > crashes just as fast) which has a low memory early warning feature.


    i also use icab on my iphone and ipad. it doesn't crash for me (i can't
    think of the last time it did), but the low memory warning is very
    illuminating. if you look at the console messages (there are apps that
    can do that), it's even more interesting.

    > It comes up very rapidly, with some pages only one tab open is enough.
    >
    > So far I disabled javascript, which renders some pages unusable, but
    > surprisingly many are still viewable - and no more memory problems.


    i've found that quitting other apps frees up enough memory for the
    problems to go away, unless you are looking at a *lot* of tabs. there's
    always going to be an upper limit.

    > Opera Mobile also works better compared to Safari as it does not use
    > the same webkit. Sadly Opera does not render all pages correctly


    if it doesn't render a page correctly, it's worse.

    > In short - it *is* a RAM memory depletion problem, which became much
    > more aggressive after IOS5 that seems to be optimised for iPad2 that
    > has twice the memory.


    i notice a huge difference in using icab on a 3gs versus an iphone 4,
    which has twice the available memory.
     
    nospam, Jan 9, 2012
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  18. Davoud

    nospam Guest

    In article <>,
    Jolly Roger <> wrote:

    > > >> This device simply doesn't
    > > >> have enough main memory built-in. So it runs out of memory very fast.
    > > >
    > > >You have zero proof that a supposed lack of available memory has
    > > >anything at all to do with Davoud's problem.

    > >
    > > iPad1 runs out of memory alright.

    >
    > You have zero proof that a supposed lack of available memory has
    > anything at all to do with Davoud's problem.


    you have zero proof that it isn't.
     
    nospam, Jan 9, 2012
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  19. Davoud

    Bert Guest

    In news:090120121213279767% Davoud <> wrote:

    > Blarp wrote:
    >
    >> In short - it *is* a RAM memory depletion problem....

    >
    > In short, I think you're full of s**t.


    So, what's the actual flaw in the iPad or Safari that's causing this
    common problem?

    --
    St. Paul, MN
     
    Bert, Jan 9, 2012
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  20. Jolly Roger <> wrote:
    > In article <>,
    > Alexander Clauss <-darmstadt.de> wrote:
    >
    >> Davoud <> wrote:
    >>> My wife's iPad 1 with 32GB of RAM is running IOS 5.0.1.

    >>
    >> Unfortunately this is "normal" on the iPad 1.

    >
    > What a foolish thing to say. Many, many iPad users do not experience
    > this issue.


    Many iPad 1 user do have a very similar problem. You can also ask a
    developer, and they would all tell you, that the biggest issue with the
    iPad 1 is the lack of main memory.

    > You have zero proof that a supposed lack of available memory has
    > anything at all to do with Davoud's problem.


    Of course not. But I have enough experience with the iPad 1, and most
    issues on that device are because it is running out of memory. So it is
    likely that his problem are also memory-related, but of course no one can
    be sure without looking at the crash logs of his device.

    --
    Alexander
     
    Alexander Clauss, Jan 10, 2012
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