PS2 ports - why why WHY do motherboard Manufacturers still have PS2 ports?

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    A question I've been wondering for a while: why do Mobo manu's still continue to have PS2 ports on their motherboards?

    I used to wonder why they still were putting serial/parallel ports on them - Nearly everything (if not everything) that used to use parallel ports has now been, for a while, converted to USB ports, making serial/parallel ports moot.

    Thankfully, many have stopped doing that, instead filling up the ginormous space that they used with USB/Firewire/eSATA ports. Yet, the PS2 ports still seem to be here.

    Surely it's about time to let this ancient, and what I would consider obsolete, technology be reduced to a mention in the History books, rather than continuing to waste up space on the motherboard that could house an extra 4 USB/eSATA ports instead?


    Agree/Disagree? Post comment below
     
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    Disagree.

    You have to gave a working operating system for the computer to recognize they keystrokes from as USB keyboard. I use USB keyboards and mice, but sometimes when having windows issues then windows don't see my USB keyboard. That's when you have to break out the PS2 keyboard and mouse for troubleshooting.

    Also I can't get into my BIOS with my USB keyboard.
     
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    The fact that you can't get into your mobo's BIOS without a PS2 keyboard is a fault with the mobo manufacturer - most new motherboards come with automatic USB keyboard friendly support (mine did - and that was 3 years ago), making getting into the BIOS with a USB keyboard as simple as using a PS2 port.

    And, taking from an ASUS point of view, they have now added a "pre-built in" linux distro to their motherboards, making it easy to test out your hardware without having to install Windows - again, making PS2 mice/keyboards, a thing of the past.


    If all motherboard manufacturers followed suit, I'm certain that PS2 ports should be more or less obsolete by now.


    And I hope you have a USB to PS2 converter, rather than two separate mouse and keyboard :)
     
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    I wouldn't call it a security issue but (at least) in Windows you are able to disable USB support for everything. When you restart the computer the registry will update and there goes anything you use for USB. How would you correct that with out the help of a live cd? You would have to format/reinstall your hdd if a virus did that to you.

    Asus has cut back on PS2 support by only putting one PS2 slot for a keyboard on their motherboards.

    I am very much against completly removing all PS2 slots.
     
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    Tag teaming what Goober said, I would call it a security issue. One of the things you do when locking down a computer for the government is disabling the USB ports to keep people from being able to steal your data via thumb drive. There goes your #1 line of defense against inside data theft.
     
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    Hence my mentioning of the pre-built in linux distro. That removes the need for a Live! CD, as that is a fully functioning linux distro that can access your actual HDD.

    I noticed that on their Asus Rampage II Gene

    For a valid reason, actually. But one that, if motherboard manufacturers catered for it, can be removed with the addition of a built-in linux distro, so if a virus did do that (although this would highlight a far more serious issue with yourself and your security than whether their were PS2 ports present), you can get in and correct the problem.

    For the mainstream media, and the average customer, I'd consider this a mootish point.
     
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    So define the average customer. I think businesses that care about their data being stolen is a high enough percentage for their needs to be weighed when coming out with new designs.
     
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    The person with a PC in their own home is the average customer.

    Businesses who cared about their data being stolen wouldn't have important files saved on the Local Hard-disk, but on a server HDD somewhere else in the building, in a more secure room.


    And let's not forget that Laptops now don't have a PS2 port in sight. Granted, they have a built in keyboard, but now most don't cater for external PS2 hardware like they used to.

    If it's okay to not have a PS2 port on a Laptop, what makes a desktop motherboard, all that different?
     
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    The physical location of the data storage is a moot point. If someone can remotely download the data onto a thumb drive and walk out the door with it, you can have the server room guarded by an army tank battalion and it would do you no good. And what is to stop your developer from copying the software he has been working on to a thumb drive and going to work for a competitor for higher pay? Not your tank battalion, because they don't disable USB ports, they just blow stuff up ;)

    I will answer this question with a quote:

    and laptops have built in mice as well.
     
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    Technically, this can happen whether the motherboard has PS2 ports or not :)
     
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    Ok...so if you have no PS2 ports, and you have disabled all of your USB ports to keep that from happening, what do you plug your keyboard and mouse into?
     
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    Well, let's look at a motherboard that I've already mentioned - the Asus Rampage II Gene. This motherboard only has one PS2 port on it, for a PS2 keyboard. There is absolutely no way to have a PS2 mouse on it. Is this motherboard aimed at the company that disables USB ports? No its not. It's aimed at gamers, specifically.


    Motherboard manufacturers will make certain motherboards aimed at different demographics - is a company that disables USB support actually going to want to buy several hundred PC's that have USB ports on them? No they're not, as that is a waste of money.

    A company that is going to have disabled USB ports will look for motherboards that don't have USB ports on them, and motherboard manufacturers will make these motherboards specifically aimed at those companies that don't want to have USB ports, making the discussion of "what's a company who disables USB ports gonna do" moot.


    Barring those companies that are disabling USB ports from being used, what then is the point of having PS2 ports on motherboards aimed at everyone else on the planet?


    The average home user that doesn't have a PS2 keyboard or mouse, keeps their security up to date, but then has a pre-built in linux distro on their motherboard that allows them to correct any security error that disables USB port support - what is the point of such people having redundant PS2 ports on their PC's motherboard?

    The answer is - there is no point. The PS2 ports are wasting space where some eSATA or USB ports could be instead.
     
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    But in your original post you said do away with PS2 agree or disagree. I said disagree and made a valid point to keep them. Now you are saying "Except for that one reason Zeus pointed out, they are useless". Ok, even if I agree with you here, there is still a need for them on SOME motherboards. Notice I didn't say all motherboards, but to need them on some motherboards is still a need for them.

    Also a company is going to go with the cheapest motherboard that serves the purpose needed regardless of how many USB ports it has b/c those can be disabled, and you can bet that they won't go after a gaming mobo.

    So I say again, I disagree with the notion to do away with PS2 ports and the technology is not obsolete.
     
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    I'm all for removing PS/2 ports on some motherboards - as keyboard friendly USB support has always worked great for me (don't think I've ever had an issue with a USB keyboard/mouse since they became standard).

    I totally understand the security issue, so I wouldn't be surprised if some motherboards kept PS/2 ports - but if the next motherboard I bought didn't support PS/2 I wouldn't be bothered :D
     
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    I have some other valid points on keeping PS2 ports. USB M/K is no better than a PS2 version other than they lack some useless features. If they were to redesign the port to make it plug-n-play then there would be no reason to advance in the USB side.
     
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    The average home user isn't going to know what to do with a Linux distro cd, live or not. Regardless, I should not have to put in a Linux disc just to be able to use basic input devices to correct a system problem with another OS. I have come across many a situation where I've had to find a PS2 keyboard in order to be able to install Windows, because the Installation utility was unable to detect and use the USB kb.

    I am more than willing to move past PS2 if the manufacturers will then start putting in more USB ports in their motherboards. Currently the USB devices I use with my Gateway are mouse, external capture device, external hard drive, UPS, two printers, palm pilot, mp3 player, cell phone, digital camera. There aren't enough ports and I keep needing to plug and unplug. I'd love to get a better, USB-connected keyboard, but since there's a limited number of USB slots as is, I'm going to keep using the PS2 keyboard Gateway provided.
     
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    Also one of my reasons for removing PS2 - two PS2 ports, or an extra 4 USB ones instead? (2 per PS2 port).
     
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