iTunes /!\ error indicator

Discussion in 'iPad' started by Howard Brazee, Feb 27, 2012.

  1. When I open my devices on iTunes, I see playlists that are synced with
    each device. When I look at the songs, they are all grayed out. And
    a few of the playlists have the ! within a triangle within a circle
    that indicate some kind of error.

    How do I trace down what this error is?
     
    Howard Brazee, Feb 27, 2012
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  2. On Mon, 27 Feb 2012 09:26:26 -0600, Jolly Roger <>
    wrote:

    >> When I open my devices on iTunes, I see playlists that are synced with
    >> each device. When I look at the songs, they are all grayed out. And
    >> a few of the playlists have the ! within a triangle within a circle
    >> that indicate some kind of error.
    >>
    >> How do I trace down what this error is?

    >
    >Have you tried clicking that icon?


    I tried right-clicking. But I needed to click on it.

    So I have a different problem. I clicked on the smart playlist and
    got "This smart playlist depends on one or more playlists which cannot
    be found".

    I infer that the playlists that cannot be found must be on the
    devices. But the whole reason I have that playlist is because my
    full playlist is too large to fit on my device.

    I will start a new thread showing what I want to do.

    --
    "In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found,
    than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace
    to the legislature, and not to the executive department."

    - James Madison
     
    Howard Brazee, Feb 27, 2012
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  3. I want a smart playlist that's a subset of a playlist that won't fit on my device

    I want a smart playlist that's a subset of a playlist that won't fit
    on my device. I created a playlist in iTunes that points to a
    playlist that I want, but is limited in size.

    When I looked at this within my device in iTunes, I see the error
    symbol (a ! within a triangle within a circle)

    I clicked on the smart playlist and got "This smart playlist depends
    on one or more playlists which cannot be found".

    I infer that the playlists that cannot be found must be on the
    devices. But the whole reason I have that playlist is because my
    full playlist is too large to fit on my device. (my iPhone is
    small, my iPad is the largest iPad 1 available, but it also is full).

    My desire is to carry a subset of my large playlist that gets updated
    when I synchronize, so that I'm not listening to the same music all
    the time.

    --
    "In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found,
    than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace
    to the legislature, and not to the executive department."

    - James Madison
     
    Howard Brazee, Feb 27, 2012
    #3
  4. Re: I want a smart playlist that's a subset of a playlist that won't fit on my device

    In article <>,
    Howard Brazee <> wrote:

    > When I looked at this within my device in iTunes, I see the error symbol
    > (a ! within a triangle within a circle)
    >
    > I clicked on the smart playlist and got "This smart playlist depends
    > on one or more playlists which cannot be found".


    As I understand it, and I may be wrong, a smart playlist is really a set of
    pointers to songs; if the songs don't reside on the same device, they can't
    be found. When you sync the smart playlist without syncing the songs
    pointed to from within the smart playlist, you'll get that error.

    --
    Tea Party Patriots is to Patriotism as
    People's Democratic Republic is to Democracy.
     
    Michelle Steiner, Feb 27, 2012
    #4
  5. Re: I want a smart playlist that's a subset of a playlist that won't fit on my device

    On Mon, 27 Feb 2012 11:48:02 -0700, Michelle Steiner
    <> wrote:

    >In article <>,
    > Howard Brazee <> wrote:
    >
    >> When I looked at this within my device in iTunes, I see the error symbol
    >> (a ! within a triangle within a circle)
    >>
    >> I clicked on the smart playlist and got "This smart playlist depends
    >> on one or more playlists which cannot be found".

    >
    >As I understand it, and I may be wrong, a smart playlist is really a set of
    >pointers to songs; if the songs don't reside on the same device, they can't
    >be found. When you sync the smart playlist without syncing the songs
    >pointed to from within the smart playlist, you'll get that error.


    That's what it looks like. So how do I do what I want to do?

    --
    "In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found,
    than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace
    to the legislature, and not to the executive department."

    - James Madison
     
    Howard Brazee, Feb 27, 2012
    #5
  6. Re: I want a smart playlist that's a subset of a playlist that won't fit on my device

    In article <>,
    Howard Brazee <> wrote:

    > >As I understand it, and I may be wrong, a smart playlist is really a
    > >set of pointers to songs; if the songs don't reside on the same device,
    > >they can't be found. When you sync the smart playlist without syncing
    > >the songs pointed to from within the smart playlist, you'll get that
    > >error.

    >
    > That's what it looks like. So how do I do what I want to do?


    Sorry, but I have no idea.

    --
    Tea Party Patriots is to Patriotism as
    People's Democratic Republic is to Democracy.
     
    Michelle Steiner, Feb 27, 2012
    #6
  7. Howard Brazee

    David Empson Guest

    Re: I want a smart playlist that's a subset of a playlist that won't fit on my device

    Michelle Steiner <> wrote:

    > In article <>,
    > Howard Brazee <> wrote:
    >
    > > When I looked at this within my device in iTunes, I see the error symbol
    > > (a ! within a triangle within a circle)
    > >
    > > I clicked on the smart playlist and got "This smart playlist depends
    > > on one or more playlists which cannot be found".

    >
    > As I understand it, and I may be wrong, a smart playlist is really a set of
    > pointers to songs;


    That's a regular playlist.

    A smart playlist is a search rule. Its content is generated dynamically,
    and can change (e.g. 100 least recently played songs will update with a
    new song if you play one of the songs on the list). If the smart
    playlist is copied to an iOS device, the rule is copied, not the list of
    songs. The iOS device generates the content by searching for items which
    match the rule.

    If the smart playlist references a regular playlist which is not on the
    device, then the smart playlist won't have any items on the device.

    The only way I can think of to get around this would be to use an
    AppleScript or separate utility which works with iTunes, such as a
    random playlist creator which derives a regular playlist as a subset of
    the "master" one, and then sync that generated regular playlist.

    --
    David Empson
     
    David Empson, Feb 27, 2012
    #7
  8. Re: I want a smart playlist that's a subset of a playlist that won't fit on my device

    On Tue, 28 Feb 2012 12:36:12 +1300, (David
    Empson) wrote:

    >The only way I can think of to get around this would be to use an
    >AppleScript or separate utility which works with iTunes, such as a
    >random playlist creator which derives a regular playlist as a subset of
    >the "master" one, and then sync that generated regular playlist.


    Yeah, I thought about that, but I'd have to do a lot of work to learn
    scripting well enough.

    --
    "In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found,
    than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace
    to the legislature, and not to the executive department."

    - James Madison
     
    Howard Brazee, Feb 28, 2012
    #8
  9. Re: I want a smart playlist that's a subset of a playlist that won't fit on my device

    On Mon, 27 Feb 2012 16:39:54 -0500, GOH <> wrote:

    >On Mon, 27 Feb 2012 10:43:45 -0700, in comp.mobile.ipad, Howard Brazee
    ><> said:
    >
    >>I want a smart playlist that's a subset of a playlist that won't fit
    >>on my device. I created a playlist in iTunes that points to a
    >>playlist that I want, but is limited in size.
    >>
    >>When I looked at this within my device in iTunes, I see the error
    >>symbol (a ! within a triangle within a circle)
    >>

    >
    >You're looking at the playlist on your device. Look at the playlist in
    >iTunes on your PC (Under Playlists not under Devices).
    >
    >The Smart Playlist (under Playlists) will show properly there.


    Yes. Which doesn't help me get my songs on my device.

    --
    "In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found,
    than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace
    to the legislature, and not to the executive department."

    - James Madison
     
    Howard Brazee, Feb 28, 2012
    #9
  10. Howard Brazee

    Michael Eyd Guest

    Re: I want a smart playlist that's a subset of a playlist that won'tfit on my device

    Am 28.02.2012 00:36, schrieb David Empson:

    > A smart playlist is a search rule. Its content is generated dynamically,
    > and can change (e.g. 100 least recently played songs will update with a
    > new song if you play one of the songs on the list). If the smart
    > playlist is copied to an iOS device, the rule is copied, not the list of
    > songs. The iOS device generates the content by searching for items which
    > match the rule.


    Hm, I may be wrong (I'm not using playlists at all, least smart
    playlists), but if that's really how smart playlists work, why not just
    create a smart playlist with a rule for '*' (or whatever identifies
    every song on the device)? In this case the smart playlist should always
    contain all songs currently present on device, shouldn't it?

    Best of luck,

    Michael
     
    Michael Eyd, Feb 28, 2012
    #10
  11. Howard Brazee

    David Empson Guest

    Re: I want a smart playlist that's a subset of a playlist that won't fit on my device

    Michael Eyd <> wrote:

    > Am 28.02.2012 00:36, schrieb David Empson:
    >
    > > A smart playlist is a search rule. Its content is generated dynamically,
    > > and can change (e.g. 100 least recently played songs will update with a
    > > new song if you play one of the songs on the list). If the smart
    > > playlist is copied to an iOS device, the rule is copied, not the list of
    > > songs. The iOS device generates the content by searching for items which
    > > match the rule.

    >
    > Hm, I may be wrong (I'm not using playlists at all, least smart
    > playlists), but if that's really how smart playlists work, why not just
    > create a smart playlist with a rule for '*' (or whatever identifies
    > every song on the device)? In this case the smart playlist should always
    > contain all songs currently present on device, shouldn't it?


    The problem is that the set of songs on the device needs to change
    according to a playlist (which is a random subset of a larger playlist).

    The set of songs from which Howard wants a random selection is too large
    to fit on the device. Manually copying a smaller selection defeats the
    concept.

    --
    David Empson
     
    David Empson, Feb 28, 2012
    #11
  12. Howard Brazee

    David Empson Guest

    Re: I want a smart playlist that's a subset of a playlist that won't fit on my device

    Howard Brazee <> wrote:

    > On Tue, 28 Feb 2012 12:36:12 +1300, (David
    > Empson) wrote:
    >
    > >The only way I can think of to get around this would be to use an
    > >AppleScript or separate utility which works with iTunes, such as a
    > >random playlist creator which derives a regular playlist as a subset of
    > >the "master" one, and then sync that generated regular playlist.

    >
    > Yeah, I thought about that, but I'd have to do a lot of work to learn
    > scripting well enough.


    Or use an existing tool. I came across one a while ago called "Random
    Playlist Creator", which I haven't tried. It may be quite old, and is
    probably PowerPC only, which would render it incompatible with Lion.

    http://www.macupdate.com/app/mac/17703/random-playlist-creator

    There may also be something suitable on Doug's AppleScripts.

    --
    David Empson
     
    David Empson, Feb 28, 2012
    #12
  13. Howard Brazee

    The Sandman Guest

    Re: I want a smart playlist that's a subset of a playlist that won't fit on my device

    David Empson <> wrote:
    > Michael Eyd <> wrote:
    >
    >> Am 28.02.2012 00:36, schrieb David Empson:
    >>
    >>> A smart playlist is a search rule. Its content is generated dynamically,
    >>> and can change (e.g. 100 least recently played songs will update with a
    >>> new song if you play one of the songs on the list). If the smart
    >>> playlist is copied to an iOS device, the rule is copied, not the list of
    >>> songs. The iOS device generates the content by searching for items which
    >>> match the rule.

    >>
    >> Hm, I may be wrong (I'm not using playlists at all, least smart
    >> playlists), but if that's really how smart playlists work, why not just
    >> create a smart playlist with a rule for '*' (or whatever identifies
    >> every song on the device)? In this case the smart playlist should always
    >> contain all songs currently present on device, shouldn't it?

    >
    > The problem is that the set of songs on the device needs to change
    > according to a playlist (which is a random subset of a larger playlist).
    >
    > The set of songs from which Howard wants a random selection is too large
    > to fit on the device. Manually copying a smaller selection defeats the
    > concept.


    How about duplicating the original playlist adding the "size" rule? You
    have then the problem, if the case, to modify two playlist if the rules of
    the original one change.


    --
    The Sandman on iPhone.
     
    The Sandman, Feb 28, 2012
    #13
  14. Re: I want a smart playlist that's a subset of a playlist that won't fit on my device

    On Tue, 28 Feb 2012 23:46:08 +1300, (David
    Empson) wrote:

    >> Yeah, I thought about that, but I'd have to do a lot of work to learn
    >> scripting well enough.

    >
    >Or use an existing tool. I came across one a while ago called "Random
    >Playlist Creator", which I haven't tried. It may be quite old, and is
    >probably PowerPC only, which would render it incompatible with Lion.
    >
    >http://www.macupdate.com/app/mac/17703/random-playlist-creator



    The download page could not be found.

    >
    >There may also be something suitable on Doug's AppleScripts.


    I e-mailed Doug this morning asking if he had such a tool after I
    didn't find one.

    --
    "In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found,
    than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace
    to the legislature, and not to the executive department."

    - James Madison
     
    Howard Brazee, Feb 28, 2012
    #14
  15. Howard Brazee

    GOH Guest

    Re: I want a smart playlist that's a subset of a playlist that won't fit on my device

    On Mon, 27 Feb 2012 19:18:36 -0700, in comp.mobile.ipad, Howard Brazee
    <> said:

    >On Mon, 27 Feb 2012 16:39:54 -0500, GOH <> wrote:
    >
    >>On Mon, 27 Feb 2012 10:43:45 -0700, in comp.mobile.ipad, Howard Brazee
    >><> said:
    >>
    >>>I want a smart playlist that's a subset of a playlist that won't fit
    >>>on my device. I created a playlist in iTunes that points to a
    >>>playlist that I want, but is limited in size.
    >>>
    >>>When I looked at this within my device in iTunes, I see the error
    >>>symbol (a ! within a triangle within a circle)
    >>>

    >>
    >>You're looking at the playlist on your device. Look at the playlist in
    >>iTunes on your PC (Under Playlists not under Devices).
    >>
    >>The Smart Playlist (under Playlists) will show properly there.

    >
    >Yes. Which doesn't help me get my songs on my device.


    I do this with several playlists. On the Music tab for the device,
    select the subsetted playlist instead of the full playlist.
     
    GOH, Feb 28, 2012
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  16. Howard Brazee

    GOH Guest

    Re: I want a smart playlist that's a subset of a playlist that won't fit on my device

    On Tue, 28 Feb 2012 12:36:12 +1300, in comp.mobile.ipad,
    (David Empson) said:


    >
    >If the smart playlist references a regular playlist which is not on the
    >device, then the smart playlist won't have any items on the device.
    >
    >The only way I can think of to get around this would be to use an
    >AppleScript or separate utility which works with iTunes, such as a
    >random playlist creator which derives a regular playlist as a subset of
    >the "master" one, and then sync that generated regular playlist.


    I have regular playlists defined on my PC which include songs I want to
    listen to for example. I have a smart playlist which selects the songs
    in the regular playlist which have not been played in the last 30 days. I
    sync the smart playlist to my iphone and not the regular playlist.

    Works fine.
     
    GOH, Feb 28, 2012
    #16
  17. Re: I want a smart playlist that's a subset of a playlist that won't fit on my device

    On Tue, 28 Feb 2012 17:31:21 -0500, GOH <> wrote:

    >I have regular playlists defined on my PC which include songs I want to
    >listen to for example. I have a smart playlist which selects the songs
    >in the regular playlist which have not been played in the last 30 days. I
    >sync the smart playlist to my iphone and not the regular playlist.


    That's what I thought would work for me.

    When I click on my device though in iTunes to open it, I see the smart
    playlist has the error symbol (/!\) next to it. Checking that
    symbol, I get a message saying "This smart playlist depends on one or
    more playlists which cannot be found". Which explains some problems
    I have had in updating the playlist on my device.

    --
    "In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found,
    than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace
    to the legislature, and not to the executive department."

    - James Madison
     
    Howard Brazee, Feb 28, 2012
    #17
  18. Howard Brazee

    GOH Guest

    Re: I want a smart playlist that's a subset of a playlist that won't fit on my device

    On Tue, 28 Feb 2012 15:42:25 -0700, in comp.mobile.ipad, Howard Brazee
    <> said:

    >On Tue, 28 Feb 2012 17:31:21 -0500, GOH <> wrote:
    >
    >>I have regular playlists defined on my PC which include songs I want to
    >>listen to for example. I have a smart playlist which selects the songs
    >>in the regular playlist which have not been played in the last 30 days. I
    >>sync the smart playlist to my iphone and not the regular playlist.

    >
    >That's what I thought would work for me.
    >
    >When I click on my device though in iTunes to open it, I see the smart
    >playlist has the error symbol (/!\) next to it. Checking that
    >symbol, I get a message saying "This smart playlist depends on one or
    >more playlists which cannot be found". Which explains some problems
    >I have had in updating the playlist on my device.


    I see the same error. You can ignore that error. On the main iTunes
    window (the right hand side not the left hand bar). Click the Music tab
    for your device. Make sure Synch music is checked (I'm sure it is). Then
    select "Selected playlists, artists, etc, etc". Then in the list of
    playlists select the one(s) you want to synch.
     
    GOH, Feb 28, 2012
    #18
  19. Howard Brazee

    David Empson Guest

    Re: I want a smart playlist that's a subset of a playlist that won't fit on my device

    GOH <> wrote:

    > On Tue, 28 Feb 2012 12:36:12 +1300, in comp.mobile.ipad,
    > (David Empson) said:
    >
    >
    > >
    > >If the smart playlist references a regular playlist which is not on the
    > >device, then the smart playlist won't have any items on the device.
    > >
    > >The only way I can think of to get around this would be to use an
    > >AppleScript or separate utility which works with iTunes, such as a
    > >random playlist creator which derives a regular playlist as a subset of
    > >the "master" one, and then sync that generated regular playlist.

    >
    > I have regular playlists defined on my PC which include songs I want to
    > listen to for example. I have a smart playlist which selects the songs
    > in the regular playlist which have not been played in the last 30 days. I
    > sync the smart playlist to my iphone and not the regular playlist.


    OK, scratch what I said earlier. I assumed the problem based on Howard's
    description.

    It appears that Smart Playlists are more complicated than I first
    thought.

    When a smart playlist is synced to the device, iTunes also syncs the
    songs which iTunes determined should be in it, based on the iTunes
    library, not the library on the iOS device. The rule is also synced, so
    if the list of songs derived from the rule can change over time, the iOS
    device will update the list of songs which appear in the smart playlist.

    For example, a small "least recently played" playlist I tested resulted
    in a selection of 10 songs not on my iPhone being downloaded (in
    addition to everything I had there already). After I'd played one of
    them, the iPhone changed the list to a different selection of songs from
    the entire collection of music on the iPhone, not just the ones which
    were downloaded.

    > Works fine.


    I agree - it works for me.

    What doesn't appear to work usefully is "selected by random". I got a
    consecutive chunk of songs from randomly chosen albums within my
    playlist, and it didn't appear to have any way to regenerate the random
    list.

    I can't repeat Howard's "yellow triangle with exclamation mark" error.

    --
    David Empson
     
    David Empson, Feb 29, 2012
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  20. Howard Brazee

    GOH Guest

    Re: I want a smart playlist that's a subset of a playlist that won't fit on my device

    On Wed, 29 Feb 2012 13:04:30 +1300, in comp.mobile.ipad,
    (David Empson) said:


    >
    >I can't repeat Howard's "yellow triangle with exclamation mark" error.


    Build a smart playlist based on a regular playlist. Synch the smart
    playlist to your device but not the regular playlist. The smart playlist
    will show the error icon in the device display on the PC (left hand side
    of the iTunes display).

    The icon is saying the playlist cannot be maintained on the device.
    That's not an issue if you main the playlist on the PC.

    G
     
    GOH, Feb 29, 2012
    #20
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