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      May 17th, 09, 8:52 PM
A question I've been wondering for a while: why do Mobo manu's still continue to have PS2 ports on their motherboards?

I used to wonder why they still were putting serial/parallel ports on them - Nearly everything (if not everything) that used to use parallel ports has now been, for a while, converted to USB ports, making serial/parallel ports moot.

Thankfully, many have stopped doing that, instead filling up the ginormous space that they used with USB/Firewire/eSATA ports. Yet, the PS2 ports still seem to be here.

Surely it's about time to let this ancient, and what I would consider obsolete, technology be reduced to a mention in the History books, rather than continuing to waste up space on the motherboard that could house an extra 4 USB/eSATA ports instead?


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      May 17th, 09, 11:28 PM
Disagree.

You have to gave a working operating system for the computer to recognize they keystrokes from as USB keyboard. I use USB keyboards and mice, but sometimes when having windows issues then windows don't see my USB keyboard. That's when you have to break out the PS2 keyboard and mouse for troubleshooting.

Also I can't get into my BIOS with my USB keyboard.
 

 
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      May 17th, 09, 11:40 PM
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Disagree.

You have to have a working operating system for the computer to recognize the keystrokes from a USB keyboard. I use USB keyboards and mice, but sometimes when having windows issues then windows don't see my USB keyboard. That's when you have to break out the PS2 keyboard and mouse for troubleshooting.

Also I can't get into my BIOS with my USB keyboard.
The fact that you can't get into your mobo's BIOS without a PS2 keyboard is a fault with the mobo manufacturer - most new motherboards come with automatic USB keyboard friendly support (mine did - and that was 3 years ago), making getting into the BIOS with a USB keyboard as simple as using a PS2 port.

And, taking from an ASUS point of view, they have now added a "pre-built in" linux distro to their motherboards, making it easy to test out your hardware without having to install Windows - again, making PS2 mice/keyboards, a thing of the past.


If all motherboard manufacturers followed suit, I'm certain that PS2 ports should be more or less obsolete by now.


And I hope you have a USB to PS2 converter, rather than two separate mouse and keyboard
 
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      May 18th, 09, 1:13 AM
I wouldn't call it a security issue but (at least) in Windows you are able to disable USB support for everything. When you restart the computer the registry will update and there goes anything you use for USB. How would you correct that with out the help of a live cd? You would have to format/reinstall your hdd if a virus did that to you.

Asus has cut back on PS2 support by only putting one PS2 slot for a keyboard on their motherboards.

I am very much against completly removing all PS2 slots.
 

 
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      May 18th, 09, 3:49 AM
Tag teaming what Goober said, I would call it a security issue. One of the things you do when locking down a computer for the government is disabling the USB ports to keep people from being able to steal your data via thumb drive. There goes your #1 line of defense against inside data theft.
 

 
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      May 18th, 09, 8:46 PM
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I wouldn't call it a security issue but (at least) in Windows you are able to disable USB support for everything. When you restart the computer the registry will update and there goes anything you use for USB. How would you correct that with out the help of a live cd?
Hence my mentioning of the pre-built in linux distro. That removes the need for a Live! CD, as that is a fully functioning linux distro that can access your actual HDD.

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Asus has cut back on PS2 support by only putting one PS2 slot for a keyboard on their motherboards.
I noticed that on their Asus Rampage II Gene

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I am very much against completly removing all PS2 slots.
For a valid reason, actually. But one that, if motherboard manufacturers catered for it, can be removed with the addition of a built-in linux distro, so if a virus did do that (although this would highlight a far more serious issue with yourself and your security than whether their were PS2 ports present), you can get in and correct the problem.

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Tag teaming what Goober said, I would call it a security issue. One of the things you do when locking down a computer for the government is disabling the USB ports to keep people from being able to steal your data via thumb drive. There goes your #1 line of defense against inside data theft.
For the mainstream media, and the average customer, I'd consider this a mootish point.
 

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      May 19th, 09, 3:09 AM
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For the mainstream media, and the average customer, I'd consider this a mootish point.
So define the average customer. I think businesses that care about their data being stolen is a high enough percentage for their needs to be weighed when coming out with new designs.
 

 
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      May 19th, 09, 10:09 PM
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So define the average customer.
The person with a PC in their own home is the average customer.

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I think businesses that care about their data being stolen is a high enough percentage for their needs to be weighed when coming out with new designs.
Businesses who cared about their data being stolen wouldn't have important files saved on the Local Hard-disk, but on a server HDD somewhere else in the building, in a more secure room.


And let's not forget that Laptops now don't have a PS2 port in sight. Granted, they have a built in keyboard, but now most don't cater for external PS2 hardware like they used to.

If it's okay to not have a PS2 port on a Laptop, what makes a desktop motherboard, all that different?
 

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      May 19th, 09, 10:31 PM
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Businesses who cared about their data being stolen wouldn't have important files saved on the Local Hard-disk, but on a server HDD somewhere else in the building, in a more secure room.
The physical location of the data storage is a moot point. If someone can remotely download the data onto a thumb drive and walk out the door with it, you can have the server room guarded by an army tank battalion and it would do you no good. And what is to stop your developer from copying the software he has been working on to a thumb drive and going to work for a competitor for higher pay? Not your tank battalion, because they don't disable USB ports, they just blow stuff up

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If it's okay to not have a PS2 port on a Laptop, what makes a desktop motherboard, all that different?
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they have a built in keyboard
and laptops have built in mice as well.
 

 
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      May 19th, 09, 10:46 PM
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The physical location of the data storage is a moot point. If someone can remotely download the data onto a thumb drive and walk out the door with it, you can have the server room guarded by an army tank battalion and it would do you no good. And what is to stop your developer from copying the software he has been working on to a thumb drive and going to work for a competitor for higher pay? Not your tank battalion, because they don't disable USB ports, they just blow stuff up
Technically, this can happen whether the motherboard has PS2 ports or not
 
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