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      Sep 15th, 11, 5:34 PM
I'm just tarting up someone's old XP machine that had been full of
viruses and whatnot. The copy of XP they've given me is a 2002 edition
seemingly prior ot any Service Packs. I see that Microsoft doesn't
themselves even attend to Service Pack 2 either, so can I still bring
this computer up to date? Are there reliable third party sites with
the older Service Packs uncorrupted by viruses? If not am I stuffed a
bit, would I need a newer XP disc, or is there another method of
getting the computer up to date? This is a licensed full version of XP
I've been given. Somewhere I've got a copy of XP Professional with
Service Pack 3 but I'm guessing that this person's license would not
activate with a different version of XP? I have reinstalled XP and a
couple of programs including Avast and the difference is drastic, with
the machine going from using all its 512mb RAM down to about 120mb so
I'd like to have unblemished good news for this friend.

Thanks.
 
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      Sep 15th, 11, 5:39 PM
On Thu, 15 Sep 2011 09:34:25 -0700 (PDT), poachedeggs
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>I'm just tarting up someone's old XP machine that had been full of
>viruses and whatnot.


Blitz and reinstall, I hope? Formatting the drive is the only way to
be sure.

>The copy of XP they've given me is a 2002 edition
>seemingly prior ot any Service Packs. I see that Microsoft doesn't
>themselves even attend to Service Pack 2 either, so can I still bring
>this computer up to date? Are there reliable third party sites with
>the older Service Packs uncorrupted by viruses? If not am I stuffed a
>bit, would I need a newer XP disc, or is there another method of
>getting the computer up to date? This is a licensed full version of XP
>I've been given. Somewhere I've got a copy of XP Professional with
>Service Pack 3 but I'm guessing that this person's license would not
>activate with a different version of XP? I have reinstalled XP and a
>couple of programs including Avast and the difference is drastic, with
>the machine going from using all its 512mb RAM down to about 120mb so
>I'd like to have unblemished good news for this friend.
>
>Thanks.


SP3 goes on top of any XP, just download and apply that.
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/950717

Cheers - Jaimie
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      Sep 15th, 11, 7:29 PM
On Thu, 15 Sep 2011 19:22:15 +0100, "Tired" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>Jaimie Vandenbergh wrote:
>> On Thu, 15 Sep 2011 09:34:25 -0700 (PDT), poachedeggs
>> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm just tarting up someone's old XP machine that had been full of
>>> viruses and whatnot.

>>
>> Blitz and reinstall, I hope? Formatting the drive is the only way to
>> be sure.
>>
>>> The copy of XP they've given me is a 2002 edition
>>> seemingly prior ot any Service Packs. I see that Microsoft doesn't
>>> themselves even attend to Service Pack 2 either, so can I still bring
>>> this computer up to date? Are there reliable third party sites with
>>> the older Service Packs uncorrupted by viruses? If not am I stuffed a
>>> bit, would I need a newer XP disc, or is there another method of
>>> getting the computer up to date? This is a licensed full version of
>>> XP I've been given. Somewhere I've got a copy of XP Professional with
>>> Service Pack 3 but I'm guessing that this person's license would not
>>> activate with a different version of XP? I have reinstalled XP and a
>>> couple of programs including Avast and the difference is drastic,
>>> with the machine going from using all its 512mb RAM down to about
>>> 120mb so I'd like to have unblemished good news for this friend.
>>>
>>> Thanks.

>>
>> SP3 goes on top of any XP, just download and apply that.
>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/950717
>>
>> Cheers - Jaimie

>
>Any XP that already has SP1.


Not according to
http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?id=24
which says "System requirements
Supported Operating Systems: Windows XP Home Edition , Windows XP
Professional Edition, Windows XP Service Pack 1, Windows XP Service
Pack 2"

It's so long since I've installed an XP lower than SP2 that I'm happy
to concede to experience, rather than MS KBs!

But that's the offline download, which may have different reqs to the
WindowsUpdate process version. Even a fresh XP SP3 won't talk to
windowsupdate.microsoft.com, you need to allow automatic updates to
(silently!) install some stuff before it'll work.

Cheers - Jaimie
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      Sep 15th, 11, 8:43 PM
Jaimie Vandenbergh wrote:
> On Thu, 15 Sep 2011 19:22:15 +0100, "Tired" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
>> Jaimie Vandenbergh wrote:
>>> On Thu, 15 Sep 2011 09:34:25 -0700 (PDT), poachedeggs
>>> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm just tarting up someone's old XP machine that had been full of
>>>> viruses and whatnot.
>>>
>>> Blitz and reinstall, I hope? Formatting the drive is the only way to
>>> be sure.
>>>
>>>> The copy of XP they've given me is a 2002 edition
>>>> seemingly prior ot any Service Packs. I see that Microsoft doesn't
>>>> themselves even attend to Service Pack 2 either, so can I still
>>>> bring this computer up to date? Are there reliable third party
>>>> sites with the older Service Packs uncorrupted by viruses? If not
>>>> am I stuffed a bit, would I need a newer XP disc, or is there
>>>> another method of getting the computer up to date? This is a
>>>> licensed full version of XP I've been given. Somewhere I've got a
>>>> copy of XP Professional with Service Pack 3 but I'm guessing that
>>>> this person's license would not activate with a different version
>>>> of XP? I have reinstalled XP and a couple of programs including
>>>> Avast and the difference is drastic, with the machine going from
>>>> using all its 512mb RAM down to about 120mb so I'd like to have
>>>> unblemished good news for this friend.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> SP3 goes on top of any XP, just download and apply that.
>>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/950717
>>>
>>> Cheers - Jaimie

>>
>> Any XP that already has SP1.

>
> Not according to
> http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?id=24
> which says "System requirements
> Supported Operating Systems: Windows XP Home Edition , Windows XP
> Professional Edition, Windows XP Service Pack 1, Windows XP Service
> Pack 2"
>
> It's so long since I've installed an XP lower than SP2 that I'm happy
> to concede to experience, rather than MS KBs!
>
> But that's the offline download, which may have different reqs to the
> WindowsUpdate process version. Even a fresh XP SP3 won't talk to
> windowsupdate.microsoft.com, you need to allow automatic updates to
> (silently!) install some stuff before it'll work.
>
> Cheers - Jaimie


I only use the stand alone service packs, I am sure that sp3 requires the
presence of sp1 or sp2..


 
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      Sep 15th, 11, 11:17 PM
On Thu, 15 Sep 2011 20:43:30 +0100
"Tired" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

> I only use the stand alone service packs, I am sure that sp3 requires
> the presence of sp1 or sp2..
>

Apparently you can slipstream SP3 into the original release, but you
need at least SP1 and preferably SP2 to update an existing installation.

 
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      Sep 16th, 11, 11:29 AM
On Thu, 15 Sep 2011 09:34:25 -0700 (PDT), poachedeggs
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>I'm just tarting up someone's old XP machine that had been full of
>viruses and whatnot. The copy of XP they've given me is a 2002 edition
>seemingly prior ot any Service Packs. I see that Microsoft doesn't
>themselves even attend to Service Pack 2 either, so can I still bring
>this computer up to date? Are there reliable third party sites with
>the older Service Packs uncorrupted by viruses? If not am I stuffed a
>bit, would I need a newer XP disc, or is there another method of
>getting the computer up to date? This is a licensed full version of XP
>I've been given. Somewhere I've got a copy of XP Professional with
>Service Pack 3 but I'm guessing that this person's license would not
>activate with a different version of XP? I have reinstalled XP and a
>couple of programs including Avast and the difference is drastic, with
>the machine going from using all its 512mb RAM down to about 120mb so
>I'd like to have unblemished good news for this friend.


If you only have 512M you may find installing service packs severely
impacts on performance. IIRC XP from SP2 uses /much/ more memory.
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      Sep 16th, 11, 11:58 AM
On Thu, 15 Sep 2011 20:43:30 +0100, "Tired" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>I only use the stand alone service packs, I am sure that sp3 requires the
>presence of sp1 or sp2..


It does, from my experience. I'm still happily using XP Pro.
 
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      Sep 16th, 11, 1:00 PM
On Fri, 16 Sep 2011 11:29:40 +0100, Mark
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>On Thu, 15 Sep 2011 09:34:25 -0700 (PDT), poachedeggs
><(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
>>I'm just tarting up someone's old XP machine that had been full of
>>viruses and whatnot. The copy of XP they've given me is a 2002 edition
>>seemingly prior ot any Service Packs. I see that Microsoft doesn't
>>themselves even attend to Service Pack 2 either, so can I still bring
>>this computer up to date? Are there reliable third party sites with
>>the older Service Packs uncorrupted by viruses? If not am I stuffed a
>>bit, would I need a newer XP disc, or is there another method of
>>getting the computer up to date? This is a licensed full version of XP
>>I've been given. Somewhere I've got a copy of XP Professional with
>>Service Pack 3 but I'm guessing that this person's license would not
>>activate with a different version of XP? I have reinstalled XP and a
>>couple of programs including Avast and the difference is drastic, with
>>the machine going from using all its 512mb RAM down to about 120mb so
>>I'd like to have unblemished good news for this friend.

>
>If you only have 512M you may find installing service packs severely
>impacts on performance. IIRC XP from SP2 uses /much/ more memory.


This may depend on what you're doing with it - I run XPsp3 in a 512meg
VM, and it usually floats at under 350meg used. I don't use it for web
browsing, which may have a major effect!

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      Sep 16th, 11, 2:45 PM
On Sep 16, 1:00*pm, Jaimie Vandenbergh <(E-Mail Removed)>
wrote:
> On Fri, 16 Sep 2011 11:29:40 +0100, Mark
>
>
>
>
>
> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> >On Thu, 15 Sep 2011 09:34:25 -0700 (PDT), poachedeggs
> ><(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>
> >>I'm just tarting up someone's old XP machine that had been full of
> >>viruses and whatnot. The copy of XP they've given me is a 2002 edition
> >>seemingly prior ot any Service Packs. I see that Microsoft doesn't
> >>themselves even attend to Service Pack 2 either, so can I still bring
> >>this computer up to date? Are there reliable third party sites with
> >>the older Service Packs uncorrupted by viruses? If not am I stuffed a
> >>bit, would I need a newer XP disc, or is there another method of
> >>getting the computer up to date? This is a licensed full version of XP
> >>I've been given. Somewhere I've got a copy of XP Professional with
> >>Service Pack 3 but I'm guessing that this person's license would not
> >>activate with a different version of XP? I have reinstalled XP and a
> >>couple of programs including Avast and the difference is drastic, with
> >>the machine going from using all its 512mb RAM down to about 120mb so
> >>I'd like to have unblemished good news for this friend.

>
> >If you only have 512M you may find installing service packs severely
> >impacts on performance. IIRC XP from SP2 uses /much/ more memory.

>
> This may depend on what you're doing with it - I run XPsp3 in a 512meg
> VM, and it usually floats at under 350meg used. I don't use it for web
> browsing, which may have a major effect!
>
> * * * * Cheers - Jaimie
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> Experience comes from bad judgement.


All went well anyway. It turns out that you can install SP2 without
having SP1* but not SP3 without SP2. An eBay seller had these DVDs of
Vista updates that I'd bought some time ago and lo and behold SP2 and
SP3 for XP were on there, handy. I've finished the job now after
wrestling with a couple of stubborn yellow question marks, and
generally the machine is using about 130mb, 200mb when it's busier. I
could be imagining things but it may feel slightly slower since the
service packs for some things, but not annoyingly so and still not
worse than my netbook prior to when I put a Linux distro on it, and
the owner had been doggedly using it for months while it was crippled
by viruses.

And yes I did format the drive, using GParted as I seem to remember
from when I had XP that you can still end up with a double entry for
XP if you let XP format the drive, as if it hadn't quite nuked the old
install away.

Thanks all.

*This is partly an assumption but I didn't see any mention of SP1
being present on the installation disc or in Control Panel > System
 
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      Sep 16th, 11, 3:28 PM
On Fri, 16 Sep 2011 06:45:12 -0700 (PDT), poachedeggs
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>All went well anyway. It turns out that you can install SP2 without
>having SP1* but not SP3 without SP2.


Excellent - I shall remember my pinch of salt whenever reading MS KB
pages on compatibility! Thanks for the update, I'll get it right next
time.

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