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      Dec 21st, 11, 10:38 PM
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      Dec 21st, 11, 10:59 PM
On 21/12/11 21:38, recursor wrote:
> http://www.zdnet.com.au/windows-8-se...-339322781.htm


Can they do that? What's Anti-Trust about then? I worked for IBM, way
back when, and the US DoJ was all over us, telling us what we could and
couldn't do.

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      Dec 22nd, 11, 12:08 AM
On 12/21/2011 09:59 PM, Henry Law wrote:
> On 21/12/11 21:38, recursor wrote:
>> http://www.zdnet.com.au/windows-8-se...-339322781.htm
>>

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> Can they do that? What's Anti-Trust about then? I worked for IBM, way
> back when, and the US DoJ was all over us, telling us what we could and
> couldn't do.
>

I suppose they'll try and sidestep the anti-trust issue by claiming the
security issue overrides it.

Microsoft Principal Lead Program Manager Arie van der Hoeven said that
"the decision to force UEFI use was based on security; the company hopes
to reduce the likelihood of bootkits, rootkits and ransomware."

Which is a joke as just today *yet* another Windows buffer overflow
vulnerability was discovered and the Windows file system is a classic
example of 'insecure by design'. Blaming it all on Linux and introducing
UEFI is probably M$'s last shot at keeping their dominant position in
the OS market in the face of increasingly competitive products from
Apple and the Linux distro firms.
 
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      Dec 22nd, 11, 12:35 AM


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Can they do that? What's Anti-Trust about then? I worked for IBM, way
> back when, and the US DoJ was all over us, telling us what we could and
> couldn't do.
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> Henry Law Manchester, England


No they cannot in Europe that type of exclusion is anti competitive which is
actually mentioned.

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      Dec 22nd, 11, 7:20 AM
En el artículo <(E-Mail Removed)>, Henry
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>On 21/12/11 21:38, recursor wrote:
>> http://www.zdnet.com.au/windows-8-se...-339322781.htm


Old news.

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      Dec 22nd, 11, 10:33 AM
On 12/22/2011 06:20 AM, Mike Tomlinson wrote:
> En el artículo<YaidndVvTZkyy2_TnZ2dnUVZ8hWdnZ2d@giganews .com>, Henry
> Law<(E-Mail Removed)> escribió:
>
>> On 21/12/11 21:38, recursor wrote:
>>> http://www.zdnet.com.au/windows-8-se...-339322781.htm

>
> Old news.
>

Thanks for that valuable contribution, can you point me to the thread
where it was discussed before in this group?
 
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      Dec 22nd, 11, 10:56 AM
On Thu, 22 Dec 2011 09:33:23 +0000, recursor <(E-Mail Removed)>
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>On 12/22/2011 06:20 AM, Mike Tomlinson wrote:
>> En el artículo<YaidndVvTZkyy2_TnZ2dnUVZ8hWdnZ2d@giganews .com>, Henry
>> Law<(E-Mail Removed)> escribió:
>>
>>> On 21/12/11 21:38, recursor wrote:
>>>> http://www.zdnet.com.au/windows-8-se...-339322781.htm

>>
>> Old news.
>>

>Thanks for that valuable contribution, can you point me to the thread
>where it was discussed before in this group?


It hasn't, but it's just ZDnet raking up a bit of nonsense for page
hits from the outraged.

There have been previous scares about this sort of thing - BIOS locks,
the Trusted Platform Module, Intel Macs (as mentioned upthread) - and
they've all turned out to be no trouble at all to anyone.

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      Dec 22nd, 11, 11:07 AM
Jaimie Vandenbergh wrote:

> It hasn't, but it's just ZDnet raking up a bit of nonsense for page
> hits from the outraged.
>
> There have been previous scares about this sort of thing - BIOS
> locks, the Trusted Platform Module, Intel Macs (as mentioned
> upthread) - and they've all turned out to be no trouble at all to
> anyone.


IIRC we touched on it back in September when Mike mentioned it, BICBW
or on the wrong group. The expectation was either Award/American
Megatrends will implement a switch (most likely) in the firmware or
Coreboot will become pretty important.

OEMs will be more likely to lock their firmware to the OS as this
enforces new Windows == new sale but this is uk.comp.homebuilt so the
point is moot. Lappies may become a little difficult to spec but I've
always seen a niche for barebones portables so it may work to our
advantage.
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      Dec 22nd, 11, 11:08 AM
On 12/22/2011 09:56 AM, Jaimie Vandenbergh wrote:
> On Thu, 22 Dec 2011 09:33:23 +0000, recursor<(E-Mail Removed)>
> wrote:
>
>> On 12/22/2011 06:20 AM, Mike Tomlinson wrote:
>>> En el artículo<YaidndVvTZkyy2_TnZ2dnUVZ8hWdnZ2d@giganews .com>, Henry
>>> Law<(E-Mail Removed)> escribió:
>>>
>>>> On 21/12/11 21:38, recursor wrote:
>>>>> http://www.zdnet.com.au/windows-8-se...-339322781.htm
>>>
>>> Old news.
>>>

>> Thanks for that valuable contribution, can you point me to the thread
>> where it was discussed before in this group?

>
> It hasn't, but it's just ZDnet raking up a bit of nonsense for page
> hits from the outraged.
>
> There have been previous scares about this sort of thing - BIOS locks,
> the Trusted Platform Module, Intel Macs (as mentioned upthread) - and
> they've all turned out to be no trouble at all to anyone.
>

So are you saying that UEFI won't ever be used to lock out other OS's on
a machine that has it?
 
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      Dec 22nd, 11, 11:10 AM
On Thu, 22 Dec 2011 10:08:08 +0000, recursor <(E-Mail Removed)>
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>On 12/22/2011 09:56 AM, Jaimie Vandenbergh wrote:
>> On Thu, 22 Dec 2011 09:33:23 +0000, recursor<(E-Mail Removed)>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 12/22/2011 06:20 AM, Mike Tomlinson wrote:
>>>> En el artículo<YaidndVvTZkyy2_TnZ2dnUVZ8hWdnZ2d@giganews .com>, Henry
>>>> Law<(E-Mail Removed)> escribió:
>>>>
>>>>> On 21/12/11 21:38, recursor wrote:
>>>>>> http://www.zdnet.com.au/windows-8-se...-339322781.htm
>>>>
>>>> Old news.
>>>>
>>> Thanks for that valuable contribution, can you point me to the thread
>>> where it was discussed before in this group?

>>
>> It hasn't, but it's just ZDnet raking up a bit of nonsense for page
>> hits from the outraged.
>>
>> There have been previous scares about this sort of thing - BIOS locks,
>> the Trusted Platform Module, Intel Macs (as mentioned upthread) - and
>> they've all turned out to be no trouble at all to anyone.
>>

>So are you saying that UEFI won't ever be used to lock out other OS's on
>a machine that has it?


I'm saying it won't matter. And that ZDnet are only reporting it
(again) for page hits.

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