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      Aug 8th, 09, 4:06 PM
On Sat, 08 Aug 2009 19:08:19 +1000, Marts wrote:

> Work is disposing of a few of these:
>
> http://h18000.www1.hp.com/products/q...11473_div.HTML
>
> What do you think? How would one of these go running either as a
> file/print server or as a "desktop" computer?
>
> It might be the solution that I need for a NAS, if I can grab one for
> nothing.


Look at component number 5; akq 1" WIDE, huh, I think they mean high

How many ultra 3 scsi hard drives do you have sitting in your junk bin?

None?, then forget it. You could be paying anything up to $240+ shipping
for half a dozen drives of 18Gb each to have 6x18Gb unmirrored/non-raid
hard disk space.

They will also whine like a pack of banshees.

OTOH, if they come fitted out with any of the 300Gb hard disk drives,
then I'd take whatever I could haul away for nick as well.

The other alternative I'd would be looking at is to see if you could plug
an expansion PCI ide(or sata?) hard disk card and what mounting kit you
need to mount some ide hard disks inside.

Caveat, the PCI expansion slots are only 100Mhz and not the more modern
133(?)Mhz cardsthat are common now.







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      Aug 9th, 09, 2:34 AM
terryc wrote:
> On Sat, 08 Aug 2009 19:08:19 +1000, Marts wrote:
>
>> Work is disposing of a few of these:
>>
>> http://h18000.www1.hp.com/products/q...11473_div.HTML
>>
>> What do you think? How would one of these go running either as a
>> file/print server or as a "desktop" computer?
>>
>> It might be the solution that I need for a NAS, if I can grab one for
>> nothing.

>
> Look at component number 5; akq 1" WIDE, huh, I think they mean high
>
> How many ultra 3 scsi hard drives do you have sitting in your junk bin?
>
> None?, then forget it. You could be paying anything up to $240+ shipping
> for half a dozen drives of 18Gb each to have 6x18Gb unmirrored/non-raid
> hard disk space.
>
> They will also whine like a pack of banshees.
>
> OTOH, if they come fitted out with any of the 300Gb hard disk drives,
> then I'd take whatever I could haul away for nick as well.
>
> The other alternative I'd would be looking at is to see if you could plug
> an expansion PCI ide(or sata?) hard disk card and what mounting kit you
> need to mount some ide hard disks inside.
>
> Caveat, the PCI expansion slots are only 100Mhz and not the more modern
> 133(?)Mhz cardsthat are common now.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


Have seen other HP towers, it's SCSI or nothing.
You have no chance in hell of putting a SATA in there.
If your lucky, HP might have a single IDE connector on board for a CD

You can pickup new Seagate Cheatah 300GB for just over $700 !!
But they do spin at 15,000 RPM, so these are really going to howl.




 
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      Aug 9th, 09, 2:51 AM
On Sun, 09 Aug 2009 11:34:36 +1000, son of a bitch wrote:


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>>

> Have seen other HP towers, it's SCSI or nothing. You have no chance in
> hell of putting a SATA in there. If your lucky, HP might have a single
> IDE connector on board for a CD


There specs said there were three pci slots in there.
>
> You can pickup new Seagate Cheatah 300GB for just over $700 !! But they
> do spin at 15,000 RPM, so these are really going to howl.


You don't have to tell me, I've have cheetah stuff from 9Gb up and they
are all howlers.

Unless you really need that hard disk I/O speeds there cheaper ways of
getting the space for the hoi-poloi.





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      Aug 9th, 09, 5:12 AM
terryc wrote:
> On Sun, 09 Aug 2009 11:34:36 +1000, son of a bitch wrote:
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>>>

>> Have seen other HP towers, it's SCSI or nothing. You have no chance in
>> hell of putting a SATA in there. If your lucky, HP might have a single
>> IDE connector on board for a CD

>
> There specs said there were three pci slots in there.
>> You can pickup new Seagate Cheatah 300GB for just over $700 !! But they
>> do spin at 15,000 RPM, so these are really going to howl.

>
> You don't have to tell me, I've have cheetah stuff from 9Gb up and they
> are all howlers.
>
> Unless you really need that hard disk I/O speeds there cheaper ways of
> getting the space for the hoi-poloi.
>
>
>
>
>


My experience with PCI USB2 cards has not been a very pleasing
experience. Nothing but software driver OS computability problems. So I
can assume SATA addins will be worse than that.
 
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      Aug 9th, 09, 5:52 AM
son of a bitch wrote:
> terryc wrote:
>> On Sun, 09 Aug 2009 11:34:36 +1000, son of a bitch wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>
>>> Have seen other HP towers, it's SCSI or nothing. You have no chance
>>> in hell of putting a SATA in there. If your lucky, HP might have a
>>> single IDE connector on board for a CD

>>
>> There specs said there were three pci slots in there.
>>> You can pickup new Seagate Cheatah 300GB for just over $700 !! But
>>> they do spin at 15,000 RPM, so these are really going to howl.

>>
>> You don't have to tell me, I've have cheetah stuff from 9Gb up and
>> they are all howlers.
>>
>> Unless you really need that hard disk I/O speeds there cheaper ways
>> of getting the space for the hoi-poloi.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>

>
> My experience with PCI USB2 cards has not been a very pleasing
> experience. Nothing but software driver OS computability problems. So I can assume SATA addins will be worse than
> that.


You cant assume anything of the sort.


 
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      Aug 9th, 09, 10:39 AM
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> terryc wrote


>> How many ultra 3 scsi hard drives do you have sitting in your junk bin?


> Heaps....


> Er, actually, none.


> :-)


>> None?, then forget it. You could be paying anything up to $240+
>> shipping for half a dozen drives of 18Gb each to have 6x18Gb
>> unmirrored/non-raid hard disk space.


> 3 of the racks have 2 or 3 70 gig drives installed.


Pathetic compared with modern 1TB drives, stupid.

>> They will also whine like a pack of banshees.


> That wouldn't be an issue. It'd reside out in the shed,
> once it's built and cabling and trenching is done (soon).


Still stupidly small.

>> OTOH, if they come fitted out with any of the 300Gb hard disk
>> drives, then I'd take whatever I could haul away for nick as well.


> There's one that has 4 x 300 gig drives and 2 x 70 gig drives (these
> two have a dymo label with "O/S" on them. So, presumably 140 gig
> or 70 gig mirrored for the OS and 1,200 gig for storage.


Still stupid compared with a decent modern 1.5TB drive.

> So, I put my claim on that one, only to be told that it's a 4G model
> and that they're keeping it, when I rang the IT guy at home. OK, I
> said, I better put it back then. Eh? You're not s'posed to grab one
> til Tuesday when we open the disposal "auction", he shrieked at me
> over the phone...


> :-)


> Anyway, I don't think that I'll bother. You guys have made some good
> points, particularly with respect to hard drive upgrades, costs and so on.


> If I could get my mitts on all of them I'd raid (pun intended) them
> all for the hard drives and try and populate one server with as many
> drives as possible.


More fool you.

> I might see if I can score an IBM NetVista desktop that's also available.
> It might be handy to experiment with Linux or as a cheap file server.




 
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      Aug 9th, 09, 1:19 PM
Marts wrote:
> terryc wrote...
>
>> How many ultra 3 scsi hard drives do you have sitting in your junk bin?

>
> Heaps....
>
> Er, actually, none.
>
> :-)
>
>> None?, then forget it. You could be paying anything up to $240+ shipping
>> for half a dozen drives of 18Gb each to have 6x18Gb unmirrored/non-raid
>> hard disk space.

>
> 3 of the racks have 2 or 3 70 gig drives installed.
>
>> They will also whine like a pack of banshees.

>
> That wouldn't be an issue. It'd reside out in the shed, once it's built and
> cabling and trenching is done (soon).
>
>> OTOH, if they come fitted out with any of the 300Gb hard disk drives,
>> then I'd take whatever I could haul away for nick as well.

>
> There's one that has 4 x 300 gig drives and 2 x 70 gig drives (these two have a
> dymo label with "O/S" on them. So, presumably 140 gig or 70 gig mirrored for the
> OS and 1,200 gig for storage.
>
> So, I put my claim on that one, only to be told that it's a 4G model and that
> they're keeping it, when I rang the IT guy at home. OK, I said, I better put it
> back then. Eh? You're not s'posed to grab one til Tuesday when we open the
> disposal "auction", he shrieked at me over the phone...
>
> :-)
>
> Anyway, I don't think that I'll bother. You guys have made some good points,
> particularly with respect to hard drive upgrades, costs and so on.
>
> If I could get my mitts on all of them I'd raid (pun intended) them all for the
> hard drives and try and populate one server with as many drives as possible.
>
> I might see if I can score an IBM NetVista desktop that's also available. It
> might be handy to experiment with Linux or as a cheap file server.
>


Actually the total usable space will be 3 x 300 + 1 x 70
So 6 drives is going to give < 1 TB

The paradox is, the more drives you have, the more chance you have of
a drive failure. Lucky it's raided, I think your going to need it.

In all seriousness, you would be better getting an old PC at the Market
and sticking a couple of 750GB SATAs in as a Mirror. it will be a ****
load Quieter and use a **** load less Power.

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      Aug 9th, 09, 2:00 PM
On Sun, 09 Aug 2009 14:12:22 +1000, son of a bitch wrote:


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> My experience with PCI USB2 cards has not been a very pleasing
> experience. Nothing but software driver OS computability problems. So I
> can assume SATA addins will be worse than that.


I'm still playing ide pci plug ins. The only problems have been getting
them recognised under linux with some models.


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      Aug 9th, 09, 2:03 PM
On Sun, 09 Aug 2009 19:01:19 +1000, Marts wrote:

> terryc wrote...
>
>> How many ultra 3 scsi hard drives do you have sitting in your junk bin?

>
> Heaps....
>
> Er, actually, none.
>
> :-)
>
>> None?, then forget it. You could be paying anything up to $240+
>> shipping for half a dozen drives of 18Gb each to have 6x18Gb
>> unmirrored/non-raid hard disk space.

>
> 3 of the racks have 2 or 3 70 gig drives installed.
>
>> They will also whine like a pack of banshees.

>
> That wouldn't be an issue. It'd reside out in the shed, once it's built
> and cabling and trenching is done (soon).
>
>> OTOH, if they come fitted out with any of the 300Gb hard disk drives,
>> then I'd take whatever I could haul away for nick as well.

>
> There's one that has 4 x 300 gig drives and 2 x 70 gig drives (these two
> have a dymo label with "O/S" on them. So, presumably 140 gig or 70 gig
> mirrored for the OS and 1,200 gig for storage.
>
> So, I put my claim on that one, only to be told that it's a 4G model and
> that they're keeping it, when I rang the IT guy at home. OK, I said, I
> better put it back then. Eh? You're not s'posed to grab one til Tuesday
> when we open the disposal "auction", he shrieked at me over the phone...


Why the heck did you tell them? {;-).
>
> :-)
>
> Anyway, I don't think that I'll bother. You guys have made some good
> points, particularly with respect to hard drive upgrades, costs and so
> on.
>
> If I could get my mitts on all of them I'd raid (pun intended) them all
> for the hard drives and try and populate one server with as many drives
> as possible.


Probably what It intended anyway. I have never received good throwouts
from any business with an intelligent IT dept. Ratted is the polite-est
way to describe tose systems.

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      Aug 11th, 09, 12:07 AM
Marts wrote:
> son of a bitch wrote...
>
>> Actually the total usable space will be 3 x 300 + 1 x 70
>> So 6 drives is going to give < 1 TB

>
> I've had a rethink. I had another look at them today with the IT Guru present
> (over the weekend when I looked at them in the storeroom he wasn't there).
>
> I have staked my claim on one that has all 6 filled. 2 of them have 146.8 gig
> drives, the other 4 have 76.8 gig drives. The right two bays (top and bottom)
> are for the OS, I believe.
>
> So, in a RAID config there's about 200 gigs of storage. Or close to 300 gigs if
> not duplicated. Obviously that'd be far less secure and the total loss of data
> if one disk fails would be the outcome.
>
> And if no-one else stakes their claim to what's left, if i get the one that I
> wan't, of course, then I'll grab them, remove the drives and dump what's left in
> the electrical waste bin outside.
>
> It'll be something to play with.
>
>> The paradox is, the more drives you have, the more chance you have of
>> a drive failure. Lucky it's raided, I think your going to need it.

>
> They have a similar argument over on aus.aviation about what they called ETOPS
> operation, flying aircraft over water and whether it's safer with 2 engines or 4
> engines and the argument that there is more likelihood of a 4 engined aircraft
> suffering an engine failure.
>
> Counter to that argument is that you're down to 3 engines or 75% capacity. On
> the 2 engine aircraft it's down to 1 engine and 50% capacity. Or none if the
> other one fails...
>
> Getting back on topic, how reliable are these 10,000rpm drives? One that I
> looked at is a Seagate. I assume that they all are, but don't know for sure. I
> do know that they've been in operation for a long time. I don't know how many
> are replacements for original drives.
>
>
>> In all seriousness, you would be better getting an old PC at the Market
>> and sticking a couple of 750GB SATAs in as a Mirror. it will be a ****
>> load Quieter and use a **** load less Power.

>
> Valid point.
>


These drives were made to run 24/7, so they would be fairly reliable but
the bearings may get a bit noisy.

 
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