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Frenton
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      Oct 27th, 11, 9:42 AM
1. Desktop button is not in good position. Down in the right bottom corner
it is very close to the down scroll button if you have a document maximised.
This means you can easily hit the desktop button by mistake, causing you to
lose sight of the document you were scrolling. The Desktop button should be
on the left hand side because it should be near the start button and the
icons of the task bar - that would be the intuitive place for it. Why did
MS change this?

2. Win 7 introduced the nice feature of being able to run the pointer over
a task bar icon which causes a small box to display which lists the windows
for the task group and if you have Aero enabled it can actually allow a
preview of the window. Why then can you not cause the start menu to appear
if you run the pointer over the start menu icon? This is counter-intuitive.

3. The File Search utility is the worst in the history of computing.
Nothing further need be said on it.



 
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      Oct 27th, 11, 11:30 AM
On 27/10/2011 6:42 PM, Frenton wrote:
> 1. Desktop button is not in good position. Down in the right bottom
> corner it is very close to the down scroll button if you have a document
> maximised. This means you can easily hit the desktop button by mistake,
> causing you to lose sight of the document you were scrolling. The
> Desktop button should be on the left hand side because it should be near
> the start button and the icons of the task bar - that would be the
> intuitive place for it. Why did MS change this?


If you accidentally click it, then click on it again, the document you
were looking at will come straight back up right at the position it was
when you hit the show desktop button.
>
> 2. Win 7 introduced the nice feature of being able to run the pointer
> over a task bar icon which causes a small box to display which lists the
> windows for the task group and if you have Aero enabled it can actually
> allow a preview of the window. Why then can you not cause the start menu
> to appear if you run the pointer over the start menu icon? This is
> counter-intuitive.


Probably because people are used to clicking there to bring up the list
of program files. I would find that to be a pain.
>
> 3. The File Search utility is the worst in the history of computing.
> Nothing further need be said on it.
>

On this I agree, it is garbage.



 
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      Oct 27th, 11, 2:31 PM
Sorry, I didn't get the original post, so I'm replying here.

XR8 Sprintless wrote:

>> 1. Desktop button is not in good position. Down in the right bottom
>> corner it is very close to the down scroll button if you have a document
>> maximised. This means you can easily hit the desktop button by mistake,
>> causing you to lose sight of the document you were scrolling. The
>> Desktop button should be on the left hand side because it should be near
>> the start button and the icons of the task bar - that would be the
>> intuitive place for it. Why did MS change this?


> If you accidentally click it, then click on it again, the document you
> were looking at will come straight back up right at the position it was
> when you hit the show desktop button.


it's like saying the Clutch and Brake pedals on your car are too close
together, and you're sick of a four wheel lockup every time you change
gears.
The "fix* is "just move your foot further to the left".
That's not a suitable fix.

Apparently it's hard coded, so there are no windows configuration
options to change it, however, a bit of googling found this:

<http://www.door2windows.com/windows-7-show-desktop-button-remover-remove-windows-7-show-desktop-button-with-one-click/>

On my box it did not completely remove the desktop button, but it did
make it a lot smaller (off the edge so it's not obtrusive anymore).
Besides, I set the taskbar to auto-hide anyway, I like my screen
real-estate...

>> 3. The File Search utility is the worst in the history of computing.
>> Nothing further need be said on it.


> On this I agree, it is garbage.


Never used it. I never liked Microsoft' half-arsed approach to adding
features, when third party support does a by far superior job. (even
freebies)

I wrote my own based around 4NT. It has quite extensive wildcard
abilities, and I've been using it for ages, well before anyone had
written a purpose-built application for that.
Not free option, but it was getting used for other things, and since
it could do this as well...
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Rod Speed
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      Oct 27th, 11, 10:17 PM
Frenton wrote

> 1. Desktop button is not in good position.


Not that clear what you mean by the desktop button,
presumably the show desktop button.

I very rarely use it at all, because there is nothing on
my desktop that I use at all, particularly now I have the
recycle bin pinned to the taskbar with Win 7. That was
the only thing I ever used it for, to see the recycle bin.

> Down in the right bottom corner it is very close to the down scroll button if you have a document maximised. This
> means you can easily hit the desktop button by mistake, causing you to lose sight of the document you were scrolling.


I dont even have what you call a desktop button in the
right bottom corner with Win7, so I cant hit it accidentally.

And I dont use the bottom scroll button very much either,
I mostly either use the scroll wheel on the mouse or drag
the slider when I want to do much bigger movements thru
bug files than is convenient with the mouse scroll wheel.

> The Desktop button should be on the left hand side


It is with Win7. If you right mouse click near the Start
buitton, one of the menu entrys is show desktop.

> because it should be near the start button and the icons of the task
> bar - that would be the intuitive place for it. Why did MS change this?


The most they did is drop it from the quck launch toolbar and thats
because they merged the quick launch toolbar and the taskbar and
now have a much better approach overeall with much more power
and flexibility with pinning what you want to the taskbar and a much
better way of both seeing whats currently running and opening
commonly used tasks from the taskbar.

The main lack is that it isnt as easy to pin the recycle bin or
computer to the taskbar as it is with the other stuff like apps.

> 2. Win 7 introduced the nice feature of being able to run the
> pointer over a task bar icon which causes a small box to display
> which lists the windows for the task group and if you have Aero
> enabled it can actually allow a preview of the window.


Yes, but better than the XP approach. And easily configurable too.

> Why then can you not cause the start menu to appear if you run the pointer over the start menu icon? This is
> counter-intuitive.


True.

> 3. The File Search utility is the worst in the history of computing.


No its not. Its quite a bit better in some areas,
particularly with searches that involve the file name.

The real downside is with searching that involves text within the file.

> Nothing further need be said on it.


Wrong.


 
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      Oct 28th, 11, 6:58 AM
On 27-Oct-11 7:42 PM, Frenton wrote:
> 1. Desktop button is not in good position. Down in the right bottom corner it is very close to the down scroll button if
> you have a document maximised. This means you can easily hit the desktop button by mistake, causing you to lose sight of
> the document you were scrolling. The Desktop button should be on the left hand side because it should be near the start
> button and the icons of the task bar - that would be the intuitive place for it. Why did MS change this?


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      Oct 28th, 11, 9:21 AM
On 27/10/2011 7:42 PM, Frenton wrote:
> 1. Desktop button is not in good position. Down in the right bottom
> corner it is very close to the down scroll button if you have a document
> maximised. This means you can easily hit the desktop button by mistake,
> causing you to lose sight of the document you were scrolling. The
> Desktop button should be on the left hand side because it should be near
> the start button and the icons of the task bar - that would be the
> intuitive place for it. Why did MS change this?


Completely disagree. It should be where it is so that a fast swipe with
the mouse to the bottom right hand side ends up on it every time. Just
like top right closes a maximised window and bottom left gets you the
startmenu. What I dont understand is why you cant simply disable it.

> 2. Win 7 introduced the nice feature of being able to run the pointer
> over a task bar icon which causes a small box to display which lists the
> windows for the task group and if you have Aero enabled it can actually
> allow a preview of the window. Why then can you not cause the start menu
> to appear if you run the pointer over the start menu icon? This is
> counter-intuitive.


Becuase the content of the start menu doesnt change. The idea of peek is
that you can see what the window contains before you click it. So if you
have multiple word docs open you can choose the right one. There is no
need to do this with the start menu as there is only one.

> 3. The File Search utility is the worst in the history of computing.
> Nothing further need be said on it.


Rubbish.

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      Oct 28th, 11, 9:31 AM
John Tserkezis wrote:

I've had to review my last suggestion. The software I linked to in my
last message only operates intermittently. It worked at first, then it
lost the plot, and no matter what I did, it wouldn't remove the Show
Desktop button at all.

So I've spent more time digging and found a several, but only one
remover actually worked consistently...


I've since found two items that are related that would be of interest:


<http://www.thewindowsclub.com/remove-and-restore-show-desktop-button-with-showdesktop-remover>

This one removes the Show Desktop button. On my box, it just hides the
button and functionality but does not move the clock over to take up the
space on the right. That's fine with me.
More so, if you pick the third option, it creates a new executable
that hides the button "quietly" (no user feedback or display). It is
suitable to be placed in your startup folder (or a link to it) so the
button is taken away at boot time.




<http://www.godzillaseamonkey.com/what-i-really-hate-most-about-microsoft-windows-7-can-it-be-fixed/>

The second duplicates the functionality of the Show/Hide Desktop
button, but something you can drag to your taskbar (on the left, where
it belong!).
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      Oct 28th, 11, 9:37 AM
mark_ae86 wrote:

> Completely disagree. It should be where it is so that a fast swipe with
> the mouse to the bottom right hand side ends up on it every time. Just
> like top right closes a maximised window and bottom left gets you the
> startmenu. What I dont understand is why you cant simply disable it.


That's nice. You suggest disabling the button without ACTUALLY
hinting on how to do that.

>> 2. Win 7 introduced the nice feature of being able to run the pointer
>> over a task bar icon which causes a small box to display which lists the
>> windows for the task group and if you have Aero enabled it can actually
>> allow a preview of the window. Why then can you not cause the start menu
>> to appear if you run the pointer over the start menu icon? This is
>> counter-intuitive.


>> 3. The File Search utility is the worst in the history of computing.
>> Nothing further need be said on it.


> Rubbish.


Ok, I'll give you that one. It might not be the *worst* in the
history of computing, but second place isn't far off.
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      Oct 28th, 11, 10:56 AM
On 28/10/2011 7:37 PM, John Tserkezis wrote:
> mark_ae86 wrote:
>
>> Completely disagree. It should be where it is so that a fast swipe with
>> the mouse to the bottom right hand side ends up on it every time. Just
>> like top right closes a maximised window and bottom left gets you the
>> startmenu. What I dont understand is why you cant simply disable it.

>
> That's nice. You suggest disabling the button without ACTUALLY hinting
> on how to do that.


No I wwas saying that I dont understand why it cant be disabled. I think
it should be easy to switch off and it isn't.

>>> 2. Win 7 introduced the nice feature of being able to run the pointer
>>> over a task bar icon which causes a small box to display which lists the
>>> windows for the task group and if you have Aero enabled it can actually
>>> allow a preview of the window. Why then can you not cause the start menu
>>> to appear if you run the pointer over the start menu icon? This is
>>> counter-intuitive.

>
>>> 3. The File Search utility is the worst in the history of computing.
>>> Nothing further need be said on it.

>
>> Rubbish.

>
> Ok, I'll give you that one. It might not be the *worst* in the history
> of computing, but second place isn't far off.


The basic searching is fast and easily accessible. It the advanced
search that is lacking. Worst part is I dont see any improvements in
Windows 8 yet either.

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      Oct 28th, 11, 11:22 AM
mark_ae86 wrote:
> On 28/10/2011 7:37 PM, John Tserkezis wrote:
>> mark_ae86 wrote:
>>
>>> Completely disagree. It should be where it is so that a fast swipe with
>>> the mouse to the bottom right hand side ends up on it every time. Just
>>> like top right closes a maximised window and bottom left gets you the
>>> startmenu. What I dont understand is why you cant simply disable it.

>>
>> That's nice. You suggest disabling the button without ACTUALLY hinting
>> on how to do that.

>
> No I wwas saying that I dont understand why it cant be disabled. I think
> it should be easy to switch off and it isn't.


From what I've read, it can be just plain disabled, (though I can't
find it now).
In this case, the button itself is still there and visible.

It would be *nice* to be able to move it at least, but alas, no.
Much like my whine about the numlock. I have a short form keyboard
that has the numeric keyboard as part of the lettered keys, and the
numlock is on by default.
So, every bloody time you enter the logon password, some of your
keypresses are going to be numbers.
One would think the ability to over-ride the system default to off
would make perfect sense.

>> Ok, I'll give you that one. It might not be the *worst* in the history
>> of computing, but second place isn't far off.


> The basic searching is fast and easily accessible. It the advanced
> search that is lacking. Worst part is I dont see any improvements in
> Windows 8 yet either.


So that's why I'm still using a console search method instead?
Windows search still sucks, whichever way you want to say it.
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